<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths --> <!--X-From-R13: [vpunry.IvyyrlNnoanzeb.pbz --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:41:41 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 86256694.00711720.00#usmta03,itsc.na.abnamro.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00090.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00092.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00085.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00101.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00091">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00091">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00091">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com">Michael.Willey#abnamro,com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:32 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Marian writes: >First, virtual sociopath on a mud is somebody >who does not empathise with the other players but >is only interested in his own fun. This is much >the same as a schoolyard bully. I think you've finally hit the nail on the head. The virtual sociopath is one and the same as the schoolyard bully. We build our muds as a form of playground, and these are the people who try to dominate the other kids. The bully isn't a sociopath, and most of these children won't be deeply traumatized by a single playground incident. But it's not acceptable behavior, it does cause harm to the other users, and "It's just a game" isn't a good enough excuse. I think the exact terms that the "Tailor" problem were expressed in brought undue focus on the aspect of playerkilling and diluted the issue as a whole. I assume from your other posts that you'd agree. This issue isn't just about playerkilling. PK is only one method that a bully uses to harass and dominate the other players. Other means are just as important. I wonder if a better expression of your dilemma would be: "How do we protect users from bullies without forcing them to become bullies in turn?" </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00090.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Simulation (Was Re: Room descriptions)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00092.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spoofing (Psychopaths)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00085.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00101.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00091"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00091"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00073" HREF="msg00073.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, apocalypse <a href="mailto:apocalypse#pipeline,com">apocalypse#pipeline,com</a>, Sun 04 Oct 1998, 23:29 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00074" HREF="msg00074.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Mon 05 Oct 1998, 02:18 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00079" HREF="msg00079.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Mon 05 Oct 1998, 16:21 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00085" HREF="msg00085.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Michael.Willey <a href="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com">Michael.Willey#abnamro,com</a>, Mon 05 Oct 1998, 18:11 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00091" HREF="msg00091.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Michael.Willey <a href="mailto:Michael.Willey#abnamro,com">Michael.Willey#abnamro,com</a>, Mon 05 Oct 1998, 20:41 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00101" HREF="msg00101.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Benjamin D. Wiechel <a href="mailto:strycher#toast,net">strycher#toast,net</a>, Tue 06 Oct 1998, 17:52 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00102" HREF="msg00102.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 06 Oct 1998, 18:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00104" HREF="msg00104.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 06 Oct 1998, 18:58 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00103" HREF="msg00103.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Marian's Tailor vs. Psychopaths</A></strong>, S. Patrick Gallaty <a href="mailto:choke#sirius,com">choke#sirius,com</a>, Tue 06 Oct 1998, 18:42 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>