<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign) --> <!--X-From-R13: Hnqvz Fxnpuraxb <igNserrubyq.pebpbqvyr.bet> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:33:05 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 36280F69.77033FD0#freehold,crocodile.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3555DE51FF1FD211A90100805F9FD04DBD54A9@ICTMAIL08 --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D </title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00233.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00235.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00320.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00240.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00234">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00234">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00234">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Vadim Tkachenko <<A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:30:49 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Wilburn, E.J. wrote: > > I don't know if you're at all familiar with Subspace from Virgin > Interactive <<A HREF="http://www.vie.com/subspace">http://www.vie.com/subspace</A>>, but they would attempt to detect > any debuggers in memory and then log the IP address of the system > attempting to debug their program. I'm not sure how well it worked but the > few months I spent playing SubSpace were relatively cheat free. Here's next flamebite: okay, they cheat. So what? I remember a statement like "the fun is the paramount", so no matter what they do, they're having fun and as long as you don't lose your profits (presumed it's about a commercial MUD), you're fine. And, the crackers play a positive role as well - I doubt your losses would be THAT bad if even you charge $20/hour, but they will definitely spot the weak links in your system, and ultimately you will thank them. > -E.J. Wilburn -- vt, tired to death, 15 days to production and ticking -- UNIX _is_ user friendly, he's just very picky about who his friends are </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00249" HREF="msg00249.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Steve Sparks <ssparks#enigma,sss.org></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00240" HREF="msg00240.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Matthew R. 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Sheahan <a href="mailto:chaos#crystal,palace.net">chaos#crystal,palace.net</a>, Sat 17 Oct 1998, 13:06 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00241" HREF="msg00241.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Sat 17 Oct 1998, 21:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00243" HREF="msg00243.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Sun 18 Oct 1998, 00:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00249" HREF="msg00249.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Steve Sparks <a href="mailto:ssparks#enigma,sss.org">ssparks#enigma,sss.org</a>, Mon 19 Oct 1998, 22:36 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>