<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals --> <!--X-From-R13: Quevf Uenl <ptNnzv-pt.UenlEntr.Sqzbagba.OP.QO> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:25:33 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199810220519.XAA00933@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00340.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00342.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00370.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00355.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00341">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00341">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00341">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Chris Gray <<A HREF="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:19:30 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [Jon A. Lambert:] >You gotta have an assembler for those who want to touch the virtual >metal. ;) An assembler is probably only useful for quick testing >of the bytecode. This is something so simple to produce, if and >when needed, it's not worth giving it a second thought. In fact, >labels are probably an artifact of the assembler and belong there. An assembler is easy yes. But, if you have one, then you really do have to verify your byte-code before you try to execute it. That's extra code and extra work. If you only generate byte-code via a compiler, then you have the luxury of removing all of the checks once you have it working. Free faster execution! If the byte-code gets sufficiently complicated that you can't easily write MUD-language code that generates the codes you want to test, then perhaps its too complicated. If you can't generate a given sequence that way, do you care? If you, the designer of the system can't convince the compiler to generate it, then you can feel some justification that no-one else will either, so actually testing the sequence can be skipped. A bug waiting to happen? Possibly, but if the byte-code is simple enough, visual inspection by a couple of people ought to find the problems. (I'm a *big* fan of code reviews, at least the informal ones we do at work.) -- Chris Gray cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00340.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00342.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Terrain/Landmass & GIF/BMP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00370.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00355.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00341"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00341"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00322" HREF="msg00322.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 22:38 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00330" HREF="msg00330.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, ApplePiMan <a href="mailto:ApplePiMan#aol,com">ApplePiMan#aol,com</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 01:43 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00340" HREF="msg00340.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 05:12 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00370" HREF="msg00370.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 00:27 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00341" HREF="msg00341.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 05:25 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00355" HREF="msg00355.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 16:03 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00357" HREF="msg00357.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Adam J. Thornton <a href="mailto:adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU">adam#phoenix,Princeton.EDU</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 16:42 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00378" HREF="msg00378.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 03:29 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00385" HREF="msg00385.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 04:11 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>