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<H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</H1>
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<LI><em>To</em>: Thandor &lt;<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Travis Casey &lt;<A HREF="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:03:36 -0500</LI>
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On 30 October 1998, Thandor wrote:

&gt; On Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 01:54:38PM +0100, Niklas Elmqvist wrote:
&gt;&gt; Well, Diku has the advantage of offering a large amount of players a
&gt;&gt; roleplaying system they are familiar with -- AD&amp;D (quite close, at least).

&gt; Well, I can only speak for the way I play AD&amp;D, but the similarity I see is
&gt; many dikus have a fantasy theme. Beyond that, not much. Meaning, race/class
&gt; names, and some spell/skill names have been adopted, but I'm yet to find a mud
&gt; that plays remotely like a tabletop game of AD&amp;D. So I think that's more of a
&gt; theme issue than a server issue - you could take pretty much any mud and slap
&gt; a medieval fantasy theme on it.

As a paper RPG designer, I see a huge amount of similarity:

  - use of a class/level system, with experience points
  - the four basic classes (fighter, thief, mage, cleric)
    (in particular, the spell-casting cleric with an emphasis on
    healing spells is a sign of being derived from D&amp;D/AD&amp;D)
  - hit-point-based damage, with hit points increasing with level
  - armor that makes you harder to hit instead of absorbing damage
  - a magic system in which spells have arbitrary effects (that is,
    there is no "spell design system" -- spells are simply made up
    and assigned to a level by GM fiat)
  - access to spells based on level (i.e., a 4th level mage can't cast
    this spell at all, but a 5th level mage can)

These characteristics are rarely seen in paper RPGs that aren't direct
derivatives of either D&amp;D or AD&amp;D.  In particular, by the time the
first Dikus were built, most paper RPGs had abandoned class/level
systems, hit-point-based damage with hit points increasing with level,
and armor that makes you harder to hit.

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<LI><strong><A NAME="00589" HREF="msg00589.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
Thandor <a href="mailto:thandor#donut,dhis.org">thandor#donut,dhis.org</a>, Fri 30 Oct 1998, 12:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00591" HREF="msg00591.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Fri 30 Oct 1998, 12:58 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00593" HREF="msg00593.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00595" HREF="msg00595.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Fri 30 Oct 1998, 17:05 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00631" HREF="msg00631.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Sat 31 Oct 1998, 19:11 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00616" HREF="msg00616.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00620" HREF="msg00620.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Objectives?</A></strong>, 
Thandor <a href="mailto:thandor#donut,dhis.org">thandor#donut,dhis.org</a>, Sat 31 Oct 1998, 07:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00586" HREF="msg00586.html">[MUD-Dev] META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 30 Oct 1998, 05:25 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00603" HREF="msg00603.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META/ADMIN: CVS for DevMUD security</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 30 Oct 1998, 22:48 GMT
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