<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module --> <!--X-From-R13: plaorNzhd.bet --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:12:55 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: XFMail.981222140246.cynbe#muq,org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 000001be2dbc$2c0095d0$18095381#pointsman,mitre.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01041.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01043.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01040.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01041.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01042">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01042">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01042">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: Jay Carlson <<A HREF="mailto:nop#mitre,org">nop#mitre,org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:02:46 -0800 (PST)</LI> <LI><em>Cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:devmud#kanga,nu">devmud#kanga,nu</A>, <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 22-Dec-98 Jay Carlson wrote: > cynbe <cynbe#muq,org> wrote: > >> (2) If you need to pass numbers through human channels, a possible >> improvement on UUENCODE-ing style translation is: > > That's what S/Key (and its successor systems) do. Quoting RFC 2289: Very good! I wasn't aware of this reference. (Thanks!) Gee, seems like I have good and original ideas, but the original ideas aren't good, and the good ideas aren't original. :) :) :) > >> (For extra credit: Pick separate verb, noun and adjective sets of >> 1024 words, and arrange for your numbers to make grammatical >> sentences. >> I'll bet this will increase the mnemonicity of the encoded numbers >> significantly.) > > If you can get enough information crammed in there. Well, in principle you're adding 2 bits per word if you have four sets of 1024 words instead of just one, which will make the encodings slightly longer -- half a letter per word? I'd guess the gain in mnemonicity would be worth it. I've made up candidate sets of 1024 words sorted by grammatical category, to build a Muq random password generation utility similar in spirit to the lambdamoo one you describe, but I haven't coded it up and tested it yet. (I'm happy to share the wordlists if anyone wants them. 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Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 16:32 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01044" HREF="msg01044.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#dworkin,nl">felix#dworkin,nl</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 21:42 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01024" HREF="msg01024.html">[MUD-Dev] Developing a MUD for the first time?</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Mon 21 Dec 1998, 07:13 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01022" HREF="msg01022.html">[MUD-Dev] client stuff...</A></strong>, Andrew Wilson <a href="mailto:andrew#aaaaaaaa,demon.co.uk">andrew#aaaaaaaa,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 19 Dec 1998, 20:04 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>