If your ISP is copasetic with it, that's all that matters in the end of the day. It's a point worth at least mentioning in a FAQ or something, though, because it is a very legitimate question especially when a server is hosted from home.

I agree that going to the ISP was neither necessary nor helpful. :thinking:

Wait wait… you wanted to criticize Zeno for "not knowing how to run a server since usermin doesn't work" (not your exact words but it is how it came off) and you have no idea what an 10Mb switch is?

As I said I know I saw what I saw, it may have been on the site originally. I have no reason to pull that out of my rear, because as I said, that was what prompted
me to go and look. I'm merely stating what caught my eye and caused me to raise an eyebrow at the whole thing.

Oh and yes, I know Zeno is hosted out of his house. I've used his hosting before, and was very thankful for it. I've since moved on from it though. I had no worries, and I have nothing against home hosted services. Only like for it to be stated in an easy to find location, as that way I do have a better idea of what I am getting. However, I would have more qualms about paying money for hosting that was done out of the home.

That seems to be wholly unnecessary, yes? The terms are usually written in such a way as to make the ISP the only really injured party in any of this as far as commercial re-use is concerned. Turning someone in for a violation of those terms for no reason when you're not even affected by it just reeks of pure hatred.

Trying to explain? Where? When you jumped on me and beat me to death? Ahahahaha.



Maybe if Michael had posted it himself.

Err, no, you can rest assured that had anybody posted the exact same message you had, the response would have been the same. Contrary to what you seem to think, people do not hate you, Banner…

*sighs again* Lets just all agree to disagree. We all have our own perspective on this and I am sure there has been enough misunderstanding here. I am simply going to remove the donations from the page and work out another system to give users some way to gain better packages with time and experience. So lets hope this stops as is.

Samson wrote:


I'm sure that's true. Apparently we may have opportunity
to know one way or another if it is true in this case.


Michael wrote:


As HK very ably put it, some folks here are very wary of
"not-free" posing as "free". As Fizban rather abrasively put it,
it's not that clear to all people-who-are-not-you what the
difference is between a "donation" and a "fee" in this case.


Michael wrote:


I think you should conduct your business however you see fit.
On the other hand, you should also expect smart and detail-oriented
people to object when something that is "conditionally free" is
advertised as "100% free". Probably if the advertising for your
commercial enterprise had been more clear people might not have
been offended by its apparent deceptiveness.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

Huzzah.


And yet you continue to patronize me.




I don't see how what we do is anyone else's business anyway. ALL the information you "gathered" (being the package information, IP addresses, home server setup, ect.), was ALL gathered from MY website where I put it in PLAIN VIEW for you to see. If we wanted to hide it, we'd offer free packages and then say, "oh, wait, we need a $20 donation before you can get that much ram and hdd space." Nope, its right there on the site. I'm sure all of you got your panties in a know because I typed "100% free" instead of "25% free".

Banner wrote:


Exactly. He does that to everybody. You're not special.


Banner wrote:


My panties are fine.

-Crat

I'm not trying to patronize you, Banner. You see, that's your problem right now: you are so defensive that everything is an attack. I'm trying to nudge you away from this impression you have that most people – or even just a few people – are out to get you. It's really not serving you any good, and in fact you're just making things worse at this point. You're obviously at least a little upset, so I'm trying to gently suggest that you might want to calm down a little bit before guessing at what our feelings toward you are. At this point, I think all I can do is assume that you are grown-up enough to make up your own mind and we'll all enjoy or deal with the consequences.

No, I do not believe the license of the sites ISP was hosted nor was the name of the ISP. Nice try at making it look like he did no actual research and only read your site to find all the info that he has. The word that people have an issue with is free, not 100%. Also here's an interesting question, while advertising a free site, why do you use a different mudhost for your own game?


…………………….
Project Lead,
Star Wars: Galactic Insights
Swgi.genesismuds.com:8060
http://swgi.genesismuds.com/

That's your signature. genesismuds.com is a competing MUD host. I find that rather disturbing, it's rather like me walking into Burger King to see the employees all eating McDonalds.

That's exactly what got our "panties in a knot". Saying 100% Free, and then requiring donations, is NOT 100% free. It's offering a free package, with better packages available for a one time fee. Especially when you say:

This is blatantly false advertising, because when you go to your site you see that there are packages requiring a one time donation. You may have one package available that doesn't have those donations. But you have packages that do have them. This isn't 100% free. This is, as you said, 25% free.

oh I'll bite…

I'll get you my pretty! And your little dog too! *cackle*

:tongue:

In light of all of this.

If you're serious about giving something back to the mudding community, Why don't you take the advice offered by that very community.

Instead of feeling hard done by and complaining that it isn't fair.

Oh geez ShadowsDawn thanks for the support! :tongue:

My pleasure David! :biggrin:

Fizban wrote:


Heh. Good point.

Speaking of striking images, what's with "I love asian girls"?

-Crat

Either Banner removed the comparisons page or their ISP was much less forgiving than they claimed as said page has been removed.

No, I removed it. As Michael clearly said, in case you didn't read it, we had permission. You should try reading more carefully so you understand what's going on before you errornously post something. But since none of you can afford the cash, we are offering everything for free now. Nope, we're not leaving town, nice try though.