03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 141st comment:
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I'm not sure it's even legal to grant them unconditional (even if non-exclusive) rights to distribute the software, depending on the license of the stuff you're uploading.
03 Dec, 2008, tphegley wrote in the 142nd comment:
*go gets a 10 foot pole*
*thinks about it…*
*puts the 10 foot pole back*
Nah.
*thinks about it…*
*puts the 10 foot pole back*
Nah.
03 Dec, 2008, Fizban wrote in the 143rd comment:
tphegley said:
I can still access it. They seem to have added a new upload page as well
So they can do whatever they want with your code as well as let anyone download it.
They also have a fileserver page now that you can see everyone's directory.
EvilEye Hosting - Free Hosting So Good It's Scary….or is it just scary?
This form will allow you to upload a file to EvilEye's fileserver.The following rules must be followed when uploading any files:
1. You must have the copyright or permission to use whatever you are uploading.
2. You grant EvilEye a non-exclusive license to distribute the material you uploaded.
3. No uploading of pornographic material, warez, games, pictures or music you do not have
the copyright for, hacking tools/guides to hacking, ect.
4. Anything you upload can be downloaded by anyone that comes across it.
So they can do whatever they want with your code as well as let anyone download it.
They also have a fileserver page now that you can see everyone's directory.
EvilEye Hosting - Free Hosting So Good It's Scary….or is it just scary?
It's just scary, I'd never in a million years use a hosting site with those types of rules. Comparatively, Parn (owner of Slayn) logged onto 4D to contact us and let us know a copy of 4D was running on his server. It was actually known by us as it was a copy I ran that was a svn checkout, but the fact the he contacted us to ensure it hadn't been stolen and placed on his server raised my level of respect for him greatly.
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 144th comment:
I don't think those rules apply to things that are hosted, just things that are uploaded to some kind of code repository.
03 Dec, 2008, tphegley wrote in the 145th comment:
DavidHaley said:
I don't think those rules apply to things that are hosted, just things that are uploaded to some kind of code repository.
I would still never want to be hosted there either way.
03 Dec, 2008, Saak wrote in the 146th comment:
Ohh thats not so ugly as it seems… the thing you all talk about imho its like a code reprositor.. you upload there.. you give to the host promission to use it, like here actually.. if you use sftp to put your files to your account then nothing would be public. So better calm down.. or other opinion maybe Im just dumm as hell and dont see the hawk;)
(sorry about the bad gramma, english is not my native language)
(sorry about the bad gramma, english is not my native language)
03 Dec, 2008, Cratylus wrote in the 147th comment:
tphegley said:
I can still access it.
Not me, although I have reports of some people having no problem
accessing the site at all.
Saak said:
you give to the host promission to use it, like here actually
Well, assuming that's the purpose, yeah. Big deal. But as with other
aspects of ee, it's really not very well explained what the details
are, and what they *have* explained *sounds* creepy.
The thing that struck me about it wasn't so much the "ooo theyre steelin
owr seekrit codes!" thing, so much as point #4. That reeked of warezdump,
regardless of the verbiage to the contrary. *That* is what I found fishy.
But there is so much here that smells fishy, one hardly knows where to begin
turning up one's nose.
I think Michael is most likely a decent upfront guy who gave webmaster
privs to the wrong kid. It's too bad, because now the whole thing stinks,
even if undeservedly so.
-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
03 Dec, 2008, Saak wrote in the 148th comment:
#4 says about the code you upload trhough the website.. its like you upload trough the any other ftp site, you upload anyone can download it. Think thats the point they try to make clear with thous rules. maybe Im wrong dont know, have been using this services just few days now but it seems to be decent.
03 Dec, 2008, Fizban wrote in the 149th comment:
Saak said:
Ohh thats not so ugly as it seems… the thing you all talk about imho its like a code reprositor.. you upload there.. you give to the host promission to use it, like here actually.. if you use sftp to put your files to your account then nothing would be public. So better calm down.. or other opinion maybe Im just dumm as hell and dont see the hawk;)
(sorry about the bad gramma, english is not my native language)
(sorry about the bad gramma, english is not my native language)
There's a massive difference, I can upload code here and state that no one who downloads it can use it for commercial use, I can't do that there. Specifically no code can be uploaded there except by its authors. This disallows anything DIKU derived. I have the rights to the code I've added to the DIKU base but as I don't have the non-exclusive rights to DIKU I can't upload it and then give them said rights.
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 150th comment:
I think it's pretty clear by now that the "Collective We" doesn't like the license. :smirk:
03 Dec, 2008, Saak wrote in the 151st comment:
My bad, havent think it that way.. if i started then… shit, really its againts the any rules of free etc.. Hope they will understand it and change the rules.
03 Dec, 2008, Banner wrote in the 152nd comment:
tphegley said:
I can still access it. They seem to have added a new upload page as well
This form will allow you to upload a file to EvilEye's fileserver.The following rules must be followed when uploading any files:
1. You must have the copyright or permission to use whatever you are uploading.
2. You grant EvilEye a non-exclusive license to distribute the material you uploaded.
3. No uploading of pornographic material, warez, games, pictures or music you do not have
the copyright for, hacking tools/guides to hacking, ect.
4. Anything you upload can be downloaded by anyone that comes across it.
This form will allow you to upload a file to EvilEye's fileserver.The following rules must be followed when uploading any files:
1. You must have the copyright or permission to use whatever you are uploading.
2. You grant EvilEye a non-exclusive license to distribute the material you uploaded.
3. No uploading of pornographic material, warez, games, pictures or music you do not have
the copyright for, hacking tools/guides to hacking, ect.
4. Anything you upload can be downloaded by anyone that comes across it.
http://www.smaugmuds.org/index.php?a=reg...
* You acknowledge that you are authorized to upload the material, either as the original copyright holder,
an authorized agent of the copyright holder, or with the explicit permission of the copyright holder.
* You grant the site a non-exclusive license to distribute the material being uploaded.
* No illegal content is to be uploaded. This includes but is not limited to:
+ Pirated software, commonly referred to as "warez".
+ Child pornography.
+ Instructions for how to commit a crime.
+ Spyware, malware, viruses, trojans, or tools used to hack into computers.
+ Tools used for the purpose of spreading spam, generally defined as any unsolicited bulk advertisement.
And once again we find a situation where Samson does it and its fine, and EvilEye does it and its a bad thing. *sigh*
EDIT: No, it's not a fileserver that lets people download anything out of home directories. Its a php script I modified to allow users to specify a username to upload to said directory on an external harddrive. Even if you could see the directories on some type of fileserver, you wouldn't be able to access it due to incorrect permissions. Be reasonable, people.
EDIT BY ASYLUMIUS: Took out code tags.
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 153rd comment:
Your point (1) and MB's point (1) are actually rather different. Point (2) is almost identical on both sites (probably not coincidentally); I question the legality of MB's point (2) as much as I question yours. :shrug:
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 154th comment:
By the way, please don't use the code tag for excerpts that have such wide lines as to completely mess up the site formatting. (Or break it into multiple lines or whatever)
03 Dec, 2008, Banner wrote in the 155th comment:
DavidHaley said:
Your point (1) and MB's point (1) are actually rather different. Point (2) is almost identical on both sites (probably not coincidentally); I question the legality of MB's point (2) as much as I question yours. :shrug:
I could download DIKU from the DIKU website and bring it here. (1) I'm not the original copyholder, (2) I'm not an autorized agent of the copyholder, (3) and I don't have permission from the copyholder. But it'd still be uploaded and no one would care, and I'd follow the same principles for the fileserver on EE. As long as it's not porn or warez, it'd be fine. It is a fileserver for people to share files for whatever they needed to do with it. I used that one as a template for the rules I created. I don't see how it's a problem.
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 156th comment:
Banner said:
(3) and I don't have permission from the copyholder.
Of course you do – as long as you follow the license. "Permission to distribute is granted according to the terms below (etc.)"
03 Dec, 2008, Banner wrote in the 157th comment:
Then they'd have the same permission to upload it to evileye, since it says "permission to use whatever you are uploading."
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 158th comment:
As I said, permission to use and permission to distribute are really quite different. MB's requirement is w.r.t. distribution; your requirement is w.r.t. use.
03 Dec, 2008, Banner wrote in the 159th comment:
Next time I'll get a dictionary. I'll change the 5 letters immediately, m'lord.
03 Dec, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 160th comment:
There's no need to be sarcastic about this, Banner. When talking about legal issues, choosing the right word is extremely important and not just some unimportant thing you do without thinking.
