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<LI><em>From</em>: "Jay Carlson" <<A HREF="mailto:nop#mitre,org">nop#mitre,org</A>></LI>
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From: "Miroslav Silovic" <silovic#zesoi,fer.hr> writes at April 05, 2000
9:43 AM:
> First, in my experience, the main time-sink in writing MUDs is not
> coding per se, it's debugging. In most 1,000,000 line applications,
> you won't even notice a crash every 12 hours, or a memory leak that
> fills the swap after a couple of days - this is because most
> applications don't run for hours, let alone days. A MUD that crashes
> daily is (in my experience) unplayable. This goes especially for
> persistent MUDs that don't even see regular reboots more often than
> twice per year.
>
> So, MUD servers (and more generally, application servers) have
> EXTREMELY severe stability constraint: they have to be able to run
> stably for months, without visible bloat, fd leak, heap corruption,
> thread forking, thread blocking, and all other types of weirdness that
> plague applications.
>
> Several MUD codebases already reached this plateaou (MOO, various
> types of MUSH, Cold are those I know about for sure). I don't think
> that a less stable codebase can compete at all (because crashes and
> losses are just too annoying to bother with - especially with all
> those stable MUDs laying around).
OK, I gotta gloat. From one of the semi-public MOO servers on a machine I
own:
| The server has been up for 1 year, 2 months, 19 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes,
and 45 seconds.
Anybody else wanna contribute cool uptime numbers?
Jay
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00071" HREF="msg00071.html">[MUD-Dev] Schmuse</A></strong>,
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 06 Apr 2000, 05:44 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00068" HREF="msg00068.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Object and class heirarchies -- are they reallynecessary?</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00060" HREF="msg00060.html">[MUD-Dev] Orthogonality and invariants</A></strong>,
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