<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars --> <!--X-From-R13: [nggurj [vunyl <gur_ybtbfNnpunrn.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:17:15 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.4.10.10004171954460.26640-100000#achaea,mudservices.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 14586.48566.795359.106525#alyx,skotos.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00380.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00377.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00355.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00342.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00373">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00373">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00373">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matthew Mihaly <<A HREF="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com">the_logos#achaea,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:57:22 +0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu">mud-dev-admin#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Par Winzell wrote: > Matthew Mihaly writes: > > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Par Winzell wrote: > > > Achaea fascinates me because it combines the commercial setting with an > > > administration style much like this. This gives me hope. Does it scale? > > > > Hmm, well, I think that it DOES scale, because as much as they pretend > > otherwise, this is just how the big MMORPGs operate. To me, all the talk > > of empowering the users is just a PR job. The admins have the power, end > > of story. > > Undoubtedly what you say about the PR job is true, however, I do not think > any of the existing massive games constitute proofs that your principle is > well-behaved when scaled. The admins certainly do have the power, but there > is not nearly the same sense of proximity to them. Greek myths work because > the damn Gods won't stay out of people's business. In a mud with a thousand > online players, with five thousand, how do you keep that same feeling? Our God system is not scalable to EQ's level I believe. It works well on s small scale, but tt requires too much work to keep the Gods in line, while maintaining thier interest in the game. But, I really wasn't referring to our God system. The users don't have power in EQ either. The power is completely in the hands of the admins and the coding team, etc. I am not overly-familiar with EQs methods of doing things, but I seriously doubt that they let the users decide just what is going to be in each update, for instance. --matt _______________________________________________ MUD-Dev mailing list MUD-Dev#kanga,nu <A HREF="http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev">http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/mud-dev</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00355" HREF="msg00355.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Par Winzell <zell#alyx,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00380.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] banning the sale of items</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00377.html">RE: Personal Interest vs. Marketing Decision WAS RE: [MUD-Dev] dealing with foul language</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00355.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00342.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00373"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00373"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00295" HREF="msg00295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com">the_logos#achaea,com</a>, Sun 16 Apr 2000, 22:29 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00306" HREF="msg00306.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Par Winzell <a href="mailto:zell#alyx,com">zell#alyx,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 00:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00319" HREF="msg00319.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com">the_logos#achaea,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 04:51 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00355" HREF="msg00355.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Par Winzell <a href="mailto:zell#alyx,com">zell#alyx,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 16:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00373" HREF="msg00373.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Matthew Mihaly <a href="mailto:the_logos#achaea,com">the_logos#achaea,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 20:17 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00342" HREF="msg00342.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, Raph Koster <a href="mailto:rkoster#austin,rr.com">rkoster#austin,rr.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 06:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00366" HREF="msg00366.html">[MUD-Dev] AI, Bots, Scripting.</A></strong>, Veygoth <a href="mailto:veygoth#stax,net">veygoth#stax,net</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 16:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00379" HREF="msg00379.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] AI, Bots, Scripting.</A></strong>, David Bennett <a href="mailto:ddt#discworld,imaginary.com">ddt#discworld,imaginary.com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 20:17 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00340" HREF="msg00340.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Declaration of the Rights of Avatars</A></strong>, John Bertoglio <a href="mailto:jb#pulsepoll,com">jb#pulsepoll,com</a>, Mon 17 Apr 2000, 06:40 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>