20 VMS? yuck! I hope you don't actually like VMS! Vaxen are nasty! vms is lame -barf- vms, *gag*, sputter VMS is usually quite secure try logging in as FIELD, password SUPPORT hehe! How old is VMS anyhow?! I was forced to use a vax once, it was horrible a vax? too bad why use VMS, when you could use UNIX? why not unix? why vms? vax? running vms? what version of vms? I am not a big fan of VMS I shall NEVER use vms vms is of the devil I run VMS on my C64! Why is vms still around?