<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster --> <!--X-From-R13: pbqreNvoz.arg --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:35:08 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199711022035.UAA102858#out1,ibm.net --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3459128B.3627#kusd,kusd.edu --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:coder#ibm,net"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00210.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00212.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00230.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00171.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00211">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00211">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00211">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 02 Nov 97 12:17:27 -0800</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 30/10/97 at 03:08 PM, Sauron <dlove#kusd,kusd.edu> said: >> Depending on what you are using to write this... >> >> A non-realtime hive mind: information is exchanged and linkage occurs when >> two members of the hive meet. The hive has a central information net that >> can be accessed by any member, any member has full knowledge of the hive >> to the time of last central unit contact. > >as has been said b4 on the newsgroup, the problem w/ this implementation >is that you have a bunch of individuals w/ the same knowledge, not the >same "mind". in other words you don't have a single entity (which is what >i'm trying to do) you have a bunch of little entities all knowing the >same thing. that doesn't mean they all act the same. That's not entirely necessary or true. There need not be a hard and fast line between the concept of an individual and the concept of a group. Taking the above knowledge model, you can then overlay this with a shared evolving mind which guides the individuals. This mind would then also be transferred and updated as above, as part of the knowledge store. As such, individuals are no longer really individuals, but time delayed versions of an evolving conciousness. Part of the protocol of individual meetings would then be resolving any conflicts and re-evaluations of the central mind generated by the different life-paths and histories of the individuals meeting. One of the results of this is that there really is no longer a concept of a central information net, instead there is a gestaltic web whuch warps and mutates as new data and mind changes/evolutions act essentially analagous to viral infections which (attempt to) sweep across the hive much like waves of competing chain reactions. A really interesting result of this, especially as the population grows, is that two individuals from "opposite" ends of the population may have minds which have evolved tinto such different forms that they __cannot__ resolve their differences, and in effect the two individuals are now of different species/hives. For them to resolve their differences would require a chain of "translators", each incrementally different from the next, stepping in this manner between the states of the two individuals. The translators would then sit chained between the two, shuttling changes back and forth until there was resolution. The result of course would be a group of analagous individuals who re then alien to their greater populations... You can then of course postualte messenger individuals whose sole purpose is to act as virus carriers to attempt to keep the mind in broad concensus. A couple SF authors have touched on this sort of model indirectly. The most obvious parrallel being the case of man slowly spreading out across the galaxy, never finding another intelligent race. Finally, one ship at the far reaches of one border finds an alien race which is utterly different to their own. Further research however reveals that the aliens are actually just humans who, advancing in the opposite direction across/about/around the galaxy, have now evolved into something unrecognisable to those who went the other way. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net ----------(*) Internet: coder#ibm,net ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00179" HREF="msg00179.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Sauron <dlove#kusd,kusd.edu></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00210.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Reusable plots for quests</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00212.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00230.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00171.html">Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00211"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00211"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00196" HREF="msg00196.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, Michael Hohensee <a href="mailto:michael#sparta,mainstream.net">michael#sparta,mainstream.net</a>, Fri 31 Oct 1997, 22:09 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00212" HREF="msg00212.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sun 02 Nov 1997, 20:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00223" HREF="msg00223.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, Derrick Jones <a href="mailto:gunther#online1,magnus1.com">gunther#online1,magnus1.com</a>, Mon 03 Nov 1997, 09:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00230" HREF="msg00230.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 04 Nov 1997, 04:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00211" HREF="msg00211.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sun 02 Nov 1997, 20:35 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00171" HREF="msg00171.html">Re: Idea: Hive-mind monster</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Thu 30 Oct 1997, 07:17 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00167" HREF="msg00167.html">Re: CODE RELEASE: [server] New Mud Software (SunderMUD 1.0)</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Wed 29 Oct 1997, 17:37 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00166" HREF="msg00166.html">Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: [graphical commercial] Mystic Realms</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Wed 29 Oct 1997, 17:37 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00165" HREF="msg00165.html">Re: CODE RELEASE: [mush mux] Portable Space Engine v0.8.3 RELEASED!</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Wed 29 Oct 1997, 17:37 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>