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<LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</A></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:55:36 -0500 (EST)</LI>
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<PRE>
A note: I cleaned this mess<age> up a bit. the line wrap-arounds were
starting to annoy me.
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Matt Chatterley wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Richard Woolcock wrote:
> > Stephen Zepp wrote:
> > > Richard Woolcock wrote:[snip]
>
> > > > The problem I can see is - if the crowd is really big, would I
> > > > actually be ABLE to recognise everyone (or even anyone)? What if
> > > > you barely know them? Could a thief (as in someone who had just
> > > > robbed you, rather than thief class) hide in a crowd to escape
> > > > the authorities? Maybe you should have to push through a
> > > > crowd in order to find someone?[snip]
> > > make the recognition just a check against vision ( perception stat )
> > > and how well you know them?
> >
> > But should this depend on the size of the crowd? Could you recognise
> > your friend Bob the dwarf if he is standing in a huge crowd? What
> > about Joe the Giant? Would you suddenly notice new people over time
> > if you stood in the crowd long enough?
> > For example:
>
> Sidenote: Richard, your mail reader does not seem to be formatting to
> 78-80 characters per line? :)
>
> The size of the cloud does not directly affect your chance of recognising
> someone. It does however affect your chance of *noticing they are there*
> and you should either not see everyone in a crowd, receive far less
> information, or simply have a far greater chance of failing to recognise
> them. UNLESS as you point out they stick out like a sore thumb, eg a giant
> in a crowd of humans (not a dwarf - theyd get kinda hidden!).
As I understand it this is because of the way the human mind handles
groups of things. We are wired to handle individuals well, two ppl
pretty well, three ok, 4 is starting to stretch it, 5 is about the
limit. After that we usualy do well to start breaking them into groups
of groups. (note, I am speaking in the general case here).
The usual max is around 6-7 individual pieces of info (a person, a
number, whatever). After that, we just see it all as a blob, unless we
break it down into groups of groups. The reason it takes so long to scan
a crowd is that you have to look at either individual faces, or small
groups of people, and then shift your focus to another small area.
> > ]north
> > You are standing on a grassy knoll.
> > There is a large crowd of people all around you. You recognise Bob and
> > Joe in the crowd.
> > ]say hi bob, have you seen Bubba?
> > You say 'hi Bob, have you seen Bubba?'
> > Bob says 'He said he would meet us here, but I've been standing around
> > for several minutes now and I've still not seen him'
> >
> > Of course this would also mean that if you saw someone, the chances are
> > they would also see you. I suppose this is more about the players
> > location than anything.
>
> Yeah, but not necessarily - I might recognise you but you might not
> recognise me (or spot, in the crowd scenario).
exactly... what if I am looking in another direction, trying to spot you? :)
tho if I glance your direction and catch that there is someone looking in
my direction, and focusing in my area, I am more likely to do a double
take and see if I recognize them.
*shrug* it all depends on how you want to code it. Randomness is well
applied here, I believe.
-Greg
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00807" HREF="msg00807.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
Stephen Zepp <a href="mailto:zoran#enid,com">zoran#enid,com</a>, Sun 14 Dec 1997, 01:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00808" HREF="msg00808.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
Richard Woolcock <a href="mailto:KaVir#dial,pipex.com">KaVir#dial,pipex.com</a>, Sun 14 Dec 1997, 02:42 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00809" HREF="msg00809.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
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Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sun 14 Dec 1997, 12:20 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00833" HREF="msg00833.html">Crowds and Recognition (Was: Introductions and )</A></strong>,
s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Mon 15 Dec 1997, 03:48 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00827" HREF="msg00827.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Mon 15 Dec 1997, 00:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00851" HREF="msg00851.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
Stephen Zepp <a href="mailto:zoran#enid,com">zoran#enid,com</a>, Thu 18 Dec 1997, 05:35 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00854" HREF="msg00854.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Introductions and</A></strong>,
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