<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World] --> <!--X-From-R13: f001tzhNabin.jevtug.rqh --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:22:30 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.PMDF.3.91.971202142621.541395749A-100000#nova,wright.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199712020503.FAA37602#out4,ibm.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00467.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00469.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00466.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00682.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00468">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00468">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00468">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:27:50 -0500 (EST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:11:39 +0000 (PST8PDT) From: coder#ibm,net >On 01/12/97 at 10:40 PM, s001gmu#nova,wright.edu said: > >>First off, what's with all the repeats of the original of this message? >>List admin? > >Writing as list owner: > > Yup, I'm still alive. Barely. That's good to hear. :-) > If you're looking for an official ruling, you're not going to get one. >Sorry! > > Not to blow you off, some background: > > Generally the quoting level used on this list seems just about right >if not slightly on the too little side. As such, there are always going >to be pertubations to the mean: one post quotes too much, the next too >little, and so on. I'm not going to get involved or worried until it >becomes a pattern, or until it starts materially impacting the function or >purpose of the list. One posting could very easily be a slip of the >fingers or an oversight. I'm not going to get worried. Please don't get >worried for me. Its not worth it. mmm... methinks there may be a bit of misunderstanding of what I was asking about. Either that or I am completely misunderstanding your response. To be clear, I was asking 'why is it that I got one message, subject "Adventure Groups [was Affecting the World]", and then about 4 messages of subject "Re: Adventure Groups [was Affecting the World]", with the exact same message body as the original?' I was saying nothing about how much nested attribution was going on. :) >Not writing as list owner: > > Please note Greg, I'm not picking on you here, your post just sparked a >couple thoguhts, that especially in light of a few of the current threads, >might be profitably entertained. Noted. Pulling blinders over the more sensative eyes in my noggin. :) > Greg's comment above, "First off, what's with all the repeats of the >original of this message?" is absolutely fasinating if looked at from a >viewpoint of being an example of a member of a micro-society attemping to >police its own micro-society. A beautiful example of social preassure used to control members of a society. Peer preasure is the term used most often, in pop culture. We spent a good week or so talking about such socital control mechanisms in a SOC. class. > If you look at it, the membership of this list in many ways functions >similarly to the membership of a MUD, and as such, has similarly evolved >various social structures and forms in line with and supporting that. >Some of them of course have been drummed in or imported from outside, such >as my requirement for attributions, or this example of quoting. A few are >homegrown, such as the somewhat overly genteel civility used in debate on >the list (not that I'm knocking it, I think its quite wonderful and >something to be actively encouraged). I've noticed this at work several times. These social controls really are some of the more fascinating behaviors we humans participate in, mostly unawares. > FWLIW Jon Lambert noticed this parallel in jest many months back (bet >he's forgotten). > > In this light, Greg's comment really becomes a piece of public rebuke, >of public censure, much are a pedestrian might rebuke another who justled >them while walking down the street: "Hey bozo! Watch where ya goin, ya >dickhead!" Tho done with better grammar. :) Taken as a comment on the number of attributions in a message, yeah, I s'pose it could be viewed that way. Since it was more of a question about why I got 5 copies of the same message, my ego would like to think of it as more of an ill-worded query as to why my micro-cosm delivery service seems to be hiccoughing (sp?). A side note, I do think that some of the nested attributions do get a bit loudicrous at times, but far be it from me to comment. ;) I just do my best to clean out everything not 100% relevant to my point, and hope others will see how clear and to the point my messages are (hah) and try to emulate them. <snipage> Sorry for the misunderstanding... any comment, as list owner, on why I got 5 copies of the original message? :) -Greg </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00682" HREF="msg00682.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> coder#ibm,net</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> coder#ibm,net</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00467.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Java, applets, forests and ecologies.</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00469.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Introductions and descriptions</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00466.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00682.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00468"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00468"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00411" HREF="msg00411.html">[MUD-Dev] fwd: Erasmatron Revs up Interactive Fiction</A></strong>, Brandon J. Rickman <a href="mailto:ashes#pc4,zennet.com">ashes#pc4,zennet.com</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 05:54 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00406" HREF="msg00406.html">Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 25 Nov 1997, 10:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00465" HREF="msg00465.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 03:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00466" HREF="msg00466.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 04:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00468" HREF="msg00468.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 02 Dec 1997, 19:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00682" HREF="msg00682.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Thu 11 Dec 1997, 05:29 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00474" HREF="msg00474.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 03 Dec 1997, 04:10 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00410" HREF="msg00410.html">Re: Adventurer Groups [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 01:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00405" HREF="msg00405.html">Guilds & Politics [was Affecting the World]</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 25 Nov 1997, 10:19 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>