<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: OT: Books --> <!--X-From-R13: f001tzhNabin.jevtug.rqh --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:44:59 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.PMDF.3.95.971223102707.545268794B-100000#nova,wright.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199712230720.BAA20850@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, OT: Books</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00936.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00938.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00929.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00757.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00937">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00937">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00937">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>OT: Books</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: OT: Books</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:45:49 -0500 (EST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 22 Dec 1997, Jon A. Lambert wrote: > On 12 Dec 97 at 16:38, s001gmu#nova,wright.edu wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Adam Wiggins wrote: > > > > > Frank Herbert's Dune. See Tolkien. > > > > Loved the books, but it's difficult to extract too many ideas from a > > Sci-Fi book for a Fantasy theme. > > > > Actually, I've always thought of "Dune" as from the fantasy genre as well > as the Star Wars sagas. Both have that epic (questy?) feel so common to > heroic fantasy. And "Dune" is positively medieval, both socially and > politically. Well, there's medieval and there's fantasy. Modern western society tends to blur the line betwixt a lot. I'm not saying it's impossible to extract ideas from the books for a fantasy mud, just that it's difficult. The more I think about it, the less I like to call Dune SF... there was a thread a while back that discussed 'hard-core' SF, as fiction founded in science as we know it today, vs 'science-fantasy', or technology w/o any real explination, bordering on magic. Dune definately falls into the later, no? > > Freidman has another good book, 'The Madness Season,' which has a very > > interesting take on the whole issue of Vampires, etc. The ideas in the > > book don't directly translate to the way things work (tm) in our system, > > but her willingness to break from the mold got me thinking about > > alternatives that lead to our current system. > > I liked Ann Rice's "Interview with a Vampire" series. I think she strongly > broke from the mold. I think that it's hard to remember since she now _is_ > the mold. I'm convinced the WOD environment would have evolved quite > differently had it not been for Rice's books. That's what I liked about 'The Madness Season', it broke from the mold Rice created. :) I have very little exposure to the WoD stuff, and from what I've seen, I don't think I'd much care for Rice's work, if the two are hard to seperate. *shrug* I quickly get bored when something becomes very popular... it gets done to death far too quickly. :) -Greg </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00929" HREF="msg00929.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Books</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Jon A. 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 23 Dec 1997, 07:20 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00937" HREF="msg00937.html">OT: Books</A></strong>, s001gmu <a href="mailto:s001gmu#nova,wright.edu">s001gmu#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 23 Dec 1997, 15:44 GMT </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00757" HREF="msg00757.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Books</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Fri 12 Dec 1997, 23:40 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00785" HREF="msg00785.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] OT: Books</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sat 13 Dec 1997, 18:45 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00412" HREF="msg00412.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Less numbers, more roleplaying.</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 07:00 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00417" HREF="msg00417.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Less numbers, more roleplaying.</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Wed 26 Nov 1997, 19:48 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>