<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers --> <!--X-From-R13: [ngg Qunggreyrl <ebbgNzcp.qla.zy.bet> --> <!--X-Date: from scipio.globecomm.net [207.51.48.12] by in12.ibm.net id 867768791.44486-1 Tue Jul 1 14:53:11 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.LNX.3.96.970701072826.148A-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.GSO.3.96.970630220940.2858C-100000@tay --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00000.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00002.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00000.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00005.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00001">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00001">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00001">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Matt Chatterley <<A HREF="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:52:21 +0000 (GMT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:caffeine#unreal,org">caffeine#unreal,org</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Martin Keegan wrote: > There've been many interesting attempts to provide muds with fully > functioning (even 'player-run' ;) ) economies. It's quite easy to > implement player-owned shops. Slightly harder is coding player-run shops. But, as always, this is really a non-issue. It's possible to code literally anything you want (even if it ends up horribly hacked) - the only barrier is the "Hangon, why bother thinking this through if it's going to be soo hard?" trail of thought. ;) > Note that I said "coding"; actually implementing player-run shops would > appear to me to be extremely difficult - because giving players incentives > to sit around behind a counter all day rather than go out and adventure > would appear to be impossible. This same problem, of no-one being > interested in the more menial jobs in a mud economy, would seem to stymie > any decent attempt at a player-run economy, which is a pity. > > Does anyone have a solution to this? Not a complete one, as of yet. A few thoughts along the subject: Players do not have to tend the counter all the time; let them hire an assisstant, but make the assisstant subtract from profits (obviously - wages), to give them incentive to serve instead of the assisstant, whom could also be rather unreliable, in a number of ways. It's fun to "play shop" for a little while every other day or so, but boring to do it for a couple of hours each day. More menial stuff is different, and actually harder to sort out I think.. say, fishing, smithing, and lower down stuff (street sweeping?). The first two actually produce a product, and can have interesting twists, the latter? Nothing I can see. :) > Mk > > P.S. An exception might be running a pub :) Hah! Of course, creating a "supply and demand" cycle that puts pressure on players to do menial things might work - for instance, if the inn cannot produce food without someone giving them raw fish, fresh meat etc.. Regards, -Matt Chatterley <A HREF="http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html">http://user.itl.net/~neddy/index.html</A> "He can't stop us, we're on a mission from Glod!" - Soul Music (Pratchett) </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00000.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00002.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00000.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00005.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00001"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00001"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00063" HREF="msg00063.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Thu 03 Jul 1997, 16:23 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00064" HREF="msg00064.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user2,inficad.com">nightfall#user2,inficad.com</a>, Thu 03 Jul 1997, 18:31 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00070" HREF="msg00070.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Supporting RP+PG</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 04 Jul 1997, 03:25 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00000" HREF="msg00000.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Tue 01 Jul 1997, 14:11 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00001" HREF="msg00001.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 01 Jul 1997, 21:53 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00005" HREF="msg00005.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 01 Jul 1997, 22:05 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00031" HREF="msg00031.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 14:42 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00094" HREF="msg00094.html">[MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Fri 11 Jul 1997, 09:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00095" HREF="msg00095.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Nation of shopkeepers</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Fri 11 Jul 1997, 12:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>