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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI>
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At 06:36 PM 8/31/97 PST8PDT, Brian peirce wrote:
>Hopefully this spin-off thread will continue so I've renamed it to
>avoid stepping on the ongoing Character evolution thread. It is
>a discussion of problems inherent in the design of a hard sci-fi mud,
>this post deals with the problems of game universe complexity.
>
>> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:16:13 PST8PDT
>> From: Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com>
>> At 04:06 PM 8/31/97 PST8PDT, Brian peirce wrote:
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>Note: Choice C is unrestricted pc interstellar travel via starship.
>
>> >Choice C seems at first to merely be a design problem, but assuming
>> >you solve the design problem of generating 'realistic' worlds/systems
>> >randomly, you now have a storage problem... your universe file will
>> >become _HUGE_.
>>
>> This seems liek a classic pseudo random "virtual room" problem as we've
>> discussed many times. If your world is egenrated off of a pseudo rando
>> mseeded from, say, the interstelalr "coords" of the world then it doesnt
>> ahve to be stored, it can be recreated at any time. Instead justs tore the
>> lcoatiosn of moveable obejcts dropped on or mvoed aroudn that world.
>
>Assuming that the entire (for lack of a better word) section was
>generated at the same time and the random generator was unique to the
>generating thread, yes the storage of the seed or starting state of
>the generator along with the set of player affected objects in the
>section would suffice. However I fear that we are merely applying a
>constant divisor to a problem that has no upper bound.
Hmm yo uare sassumoing I THINK that enw seeds get generated and need to be
stored as "existing". Iw as thinking more the idea that givn ANY spatial
coord you do a first pseudo random off that seed and sue that value to
determine IF there is a planet there, then you do subsequent psuedo randoms
on teh same seed to populate it.
The existance/nonexistance of the planet is thus implivit in the coord and
needs no planetary catalog.
Does that sovle your problem?
JK
Jeff Kesselman
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<LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01071" HREF="msg01071.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01078" HREF="msg01078.html">Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01168" HREF="msg01168.html">Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00926" HREF="msg00926.html">[MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution</A></strong>,
Brian Price <a href="mailto:blprice#bedford,net">blprice#bedford,net</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 01:34 GMT
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Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 03:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01012" HREF="msg01012.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution</A></strong>,
Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 02 Sep 1997, 16:12 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00929" HREF="msg00929.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00971" HREF="msg00971.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi Muds was Character Evolution</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user2,inficad.com">nightfall#user2,inficad.com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 21:41 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00932" HREF="msg00932.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hard Sci-fi muds was Character evolution</A></strong>,
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