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<LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI>
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On 6 Sep 97 at 0:02, Dan Shiovitz wrote:
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> I've been thinking of something vaguely like Affects for my system. I'm
> still not precisely sure what to do with someone that wears cursed
> gauntlets of fumbling that make her miss all the time and wields the magic
> spear Elsinore that always hits its target. I guess some sort of priority
> system would be the way to go here, yes. Of course, I have no idea of a
> consistent way to do so ("yes, this one makes you always hit with level
> 40, whereas this one makes you miss 10% more often with level 50 .. so you
> add them together, and get, uh .."). I suppose that's not a terrible way
> to do things: if each affect is given some sort of power level as well as
> its actual effects, then when two affects contradict each other you could
> let the more powerful one take effect, either at full power or at the
> difference in power of the two .. so maybe in the above example you'd miss
> 1% more often instead of 10%. Or maybe that's stupid, and if you're
> wearing always-hit shoes and a miss-10% belt, then you should always hit.
> Or maybe I just shouldn't have any always- items in the game :)
>
Interesting scenarios Dan. Noted and logged as test cases. :)
I take the character's body and make it a container with objects
placed "on" it instead of "in" it. It is a layered container with
four layers. Objects designed for use with the character body will
have layer and location information. The absence of this information
in an object defaults to hands/outside layer or mass/volume
information is used in other container placement. Affects of lower
layered objects may preclude or inhibit the use of high layered
objects.
The first case could be handled in my system. The gauntlets are worn
at layer 2 location hands. The spear is worn at layer 3 location
hands. Affects of gauntlets would occur before the effects of
the spear. The spear would be dropped before it could be used in an
attack. The second case is questionable. I would imagine that I
could sum up the different locational affects to produce an affect
modifier. I don't have "always" hit type modifiers or "always"
anything in my system. They are always expressed in numerical
modifiers. One could equate "always" with either a positive or
negative infinity. Here's how I'd handle "infinite" items. Opposing
infinities would cancel out causing a large explosion creating a
magical wormhole. This wormhole would suck the character through it
immediately destroying them. Upon the closing of the wormhole an
unstable bi-polar mana node would be created at the location.
Half-life of several days. Hmmm. :)
Jon A. Lambert
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00928" HREF="msg00928.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 02:21 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00931" HREF="msg00931.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 01 Sep 1997, 03:17 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01101" HREF="msg01101.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01116" HREF="msg01116.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
Dan Shiovitz <a href="mailto:scythe#u,washington.edu">scythe#u,washington.edu</a>, Fri 05 Sep 1997, 23:49 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01131" HREF="msg01131.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 06 Sep 1997, 16:25 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01170" HREF="msg01170.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Modeling spells/skills as collections of affects</A></strong>,
Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 09 Sep 1997, 21:06 GMT
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