<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 06:27:49 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199708240627.BAA15097@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.2.32.19970818224727.00b35640#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199708200051.RAA24973#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00708.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00710.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00758.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00713.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00709">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00709">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00709">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:28:29 -4</LI> <LI><em>Comments</em>: Authenticated sender is <jlsysinc#popd,ix.netcom.com></LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 19 Aug 97 at 21:59, clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: > > It illuminates for me one of the base differences in game design > approach: > > Build something interesting and users will appear to do something > intersting with it. > > vs: > > Build something to play /this/ sort of game and represent *that* > sort of environment. > > On the face of it I suspect that this is implicit to a __designed__ RP > game (ie game designed for RP as vs GOP), and more specifically to an > RP game where a particular form of RP or an RP in a pre-stated > milleau/character is desired. > Yes, but with a very large grumble... <grumble on> FORCING characters to SUBMIT to your environment is anathema to good roleplaying. This is very commercial, white-washed, family-oriented politically correct entertainment, and has little or nothing to do with roleplaying. <grumble off> > On my end I'm a lot more interested in building what I think might be > an interesting system, and then seeing what people will do with it, > including what social forms, good or bad (however I might judge), they > might build. In a way its all a grand experiment in providing a soil > and variety of fertilisers, and then standing back to see what > attempts to grow there. The goals are identical with the exception of building an interesting "world" and see how players cope/deal with it as opposed to building a "system" and seeing how players cope/deal with it. JL Jon A. Lambert </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00713" HREF="msg00713.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00668" HREF="msg00668.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00683" HREF="msg00683.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00708.html">Alignment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00710.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00758.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00713.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00709"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00709"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00683" HREF="msg00683.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 20 Aug 1997, 00:53 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00691" HREF="msg00691.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 20 Aug 1997, 05:19 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00751" HREF="msg00751.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 27 Aug 1997, 00:31 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00758" HREF="msg00758.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 27 Aug 1997, 05:07 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00709" HREF="msg00709.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 24 Aug 1997, 06:27 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00713" HREF="msg00713.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 25 Aug 1997, 02:15 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00719" HREF="msg00719.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 25 Aug 1997, 06:41 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01068" HREF="msg01068.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Thu 04 Sep 1997, 05:13 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01118" HREF="msg01118.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] New Topic: Butthead features</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 06 Sep 1997, 00:13 GMT </LI> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>