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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] First Muds - newbie magic?</H1>
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<LI><em>From</em>: Martin Keegan <<A HREF="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</A>></LI>
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On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Nathan Yospe wrote:
> :> feeling I got when I first played it, and that vision has stuck with
> :> me ever since. So to me it's actually kind of amazing that others
> :> play the game and consider it just a big game of Zork with lots of people
> :> around to talk to.
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> :Those are the people who never got into mudding, or who, like me, have
> :passed beyond the initial login experience, but have forgotten what it
> :felt like.
>
> Or they played on a mud _designed_ exactly like that. No offense to
> Keegan, but Island had a huge element of that.
Assumed orthodoxies again, I fear. As far as gameplay went, yes, it was a
big game of Zork with lots of people to talk to, and proud of it. The
point was that there was more to it than just being a bunch of socket code
with game features. The most important consequence of TinyMUD was to
establish the potential of muds as an artistic medium - a step beyond mere
hypertext - after all, there was buggerall else to do on Tinys! :)
Island was seething with devious wordplay, cryptic allusions and
references, dangling subconscious suggestions, etc. No wonder people hated
it :)
Mk
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00264" HREF="msg00264.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS.</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] First Muds - newbie magic?</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 31 Jul 1997, 06:28 GMT
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Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Mon 04 Aug 1997, 18:57 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00271" HREF="msg00271.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS.</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00283" HREF="msg00283.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS.</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 30 Jul 1997, 13:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00284" HREF="msg00284.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS.</A></strong>,
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 30 Jul 1997, 13:29 GMT
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