<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd) --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:59:29 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199708142057.NAA29322#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.970813072110.140C-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00568.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00570.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00514.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00538.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00569">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00569">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00569">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 14 Aug 97 13:53:15 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00514.html">Pine.LNX.3.96.970813072110.140C-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>>, on 08/13/97 at 06:40 PM, Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> said: >On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: >> at 11:39 AM, Martin Keegan <martin#cam,sri.com> said: >> >On Wed, 2 Jul 1997 clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: >> >> Precisely. Just what is there for a player to do once he's made Wiz >> >> on a standard MUD other than thumb twiddle or torture the local >> >> inhabitants? >> >> >Nothing. For that player, the game is over. That is NOT to say that >> >it's badly designed, nor that this isn't a huge problem. I spot an >> >assumed orthodoxy here. >> >> Yes, much the like assumed orthodoxy that MUD users want to play >> heros. Nightmare provides a perfect case in point to demonstrate the >> fallacy of that one. >Yes. Mind you - I haven't really found a perfectly amicable solution >to this. Some (well, one that I can name) muds allow a choice at a >certain level between wizard and hero - continuing to play ad >nauseum, and becoming a creator. There are inherent problems in this >(you can get creators who are not necessarily good with >responsibility - although determined in their play). I personally >plan to try and make higher levels more interesting (this is where >strategy and wargame elements will come into play much more), and >take wizards through application outside the game. Bartle proposed a simple solution as a side-effect of perma-death. If you have incompetants approaching situations of power they are unsuited to, either kill them, or ensure they are killed. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00514" HREF="msg00514.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00568.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00570.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Graphic MUDS/Ultima Online</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00514.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00538.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00569"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00569"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00045" HREF="msg00045.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 03 Jul 1997, 01:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00355" HREF="msg00355.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Mon 04 Aug 1997, 01:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00497" HREF="msg00497.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 12 Aug 1997, 21:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00514" HREF="msg00514.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 13 Aug 1997, 06:25 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00569" HREF="msg00569.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 14 Aug 1997, 20:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00538" HREF="msg00538.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Thu 14 Aug 1997, 02:55 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00576" HREF="msg00576.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 14 Aug 1997, 21:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01039" HREF="msg01039.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Tue 02 Sep 1997, 23:08 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00520" HREF="msg00520.html">Evolution of The Mud Tree</A></strong>, Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Wed 13 Aug 1997, 19:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>