<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public? --> <!--X-From-R13: Eunja Vnycraal <znynpunvNvanzr.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from major.globecomm.net [207.51.48.5] by in3.ibm.net id 869258280.113970-1 Fri Jul 18 20:38:00 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 33CFD425.167EB0E7#iname,com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199707181931.MAA01870#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:malachai#iname,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00201.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00203.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00199.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00203.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00202">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00202">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00202">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Shawn Halpenny <<A HREF="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:37:57 -0400</LI> <LI><em>Sender</em>: <A HREF="mailto:rsh#iname,com">rsh#iname,com</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: > > Proposal: > > Please comment. > > A web site is established which details the list, its purpose, > policies and other related data. Archives of list traffic are made > available untouched to list members only via email request > (standardised format). Acceptable if not all archives are publicly available and as long as a list-published method of obtaining them is provided (perhaps as part of the standard invitation text). > Copies of list traffic are available on the > web site with the email addresses munged as follows: > > -- All period characters (".") replaced with commas (",") > -- All at characters ("@") replaced with asterixes ("&"). > -- Order of the userID and site/domain reversed (I'm not > keen on this one) > > Without the last rule "bubba#site,dom" would become "bubba&site,com". > With the last rule it would become, "site,dom&bubba". The reason for > this approach as versus BrandonG's approach of nuking the entire > UserID section of the email address is that it remains fully human > readable and human usable as is, and no sematic content is lost. Only > machine processing abilities are lost. <<The choice of replacement > characters is not cast in stone. I could also see doing a > "bubba(at)site,dom".>> > > The address munging pattern would be posted on the web site. > > <<Yes, it is still machine parsable. I suspect the odds however of > a web-scanner unmunging and parsing the above forms and extracting > valid email addresses is proximate to zero.>> If the details of the munging are publicly available (and the pretty much have to be), a determined idiot could conjure something up easily. I suppose a determined idiot could work around almost any scheme, though. > <<BrandonG and others! Would this satisfy you?>> This is fine. Side note: would spelling out the '@' and the '.' make it any less parsable? I doubt many web-scanners have the ability to pick out what looks like a normal sentence: bubba#site,dom || bubba at site dot dom. This is not an entirely serious side note, but I had seen it done in someone's sig somewhere long, long ago. > I am not entirely happy with making all archives (even munged > archives) publicly available. I expect that I'll make only a fraction > of the total list traffic available to public browsers. (First guess: > only the digests for the same day of the week as the current day will > be readable at the web site) > > The web site and associated list details are publicised on > r.g.m.announce. The ban on mentioning the list in other media is > removed. Fine too. -- Shawn Halpenny "I got food poisoning today. I don't know when I'll use it." - Steven Wright </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00203" HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00197" HREF="msg00197.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00201.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Source data on Crossbow</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00199.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00202"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00202"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Evil coders from beyond the grave</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00196" HREF="msg00196.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Evil coders from beyond the grave</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:31 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 11:41 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00197" HREF="msg00197.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00199" HREF="msg00199.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 02:50 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00202" HREF="msg00202.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 03:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00203" HREF="msg00203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Making the list public?</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 19 Jul 1997, 05:01 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00173" HREF="msg00173.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Socrates - A brief look at AI(?)</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 06:24 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00171" HREF="msg00171.html">Evil coders from beyond the grave</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 03:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00180" HREF="msg00180.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Evil coders from beyond the grave</A></strong>, Orion Henry <a href="mailto:ohenry#sdcc10,ucsd.edu">ohenry#sdcc10,ucsd.edu</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 13:53 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>