<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment --> <!--X-From-R13: Xrss Yrffryzna <wrssxNgrargjbex.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:48:22 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3.0.2.32.19970828145023.008d1360#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199708260208.TAA25332#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199708282034.NAA27645#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00815.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00817.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00813.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00718.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00816">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00816">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00816">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:50:23 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> At 01:38 PM 8/28/97 PST8PDT, JCL wrote: >A crude summary of their conclusions as I recall: > > Ruthless or otherwise asocial techniques are highly successful in >the short term. > > Social technique individuals/groups are easily affected by or >impeded by asocial groups. > > Social techniques win over the long term. Very nice JCL. A good summation of what we saw. Of course due to effect (2) social techniques never get chance to develop such that they can create effect (2). I think the idea of starting a MUD with a c roe group that contains no asocials and give them a chance to build working social structures first has a high probability of working -- it's just not real practical for thsoe of us on commercial products. ZThe peoepl who pay the electricity bills want EVERY user possible in in day one, for some very good practical reasons. My solution has been to "define the game" to a degree and build a game where from day one such social structures already exist in a primative but usable form in the structure of the game itself. We'll see if it works.. JK > Jeff Kesselman Snr. Game Integration Engineer TEN -- The Total Entertainment Network -- www.ten.net -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CC/E/IT/MC d+(++)@ s: a C++++$ ULSC+++(++++)$ P++(+++)$ L++ E--- W++$ N++$ o+ K--? w++(+++)$@>--- O+(++)>$ M+>$ !V PS++ PE+ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+ X- R+(++)$>+++* tv+ b+>++ DI+++ !D G e++ h r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Speak Geek! <A HREF="http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/geek.html">http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/geek.html</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00728" HREF="msg00728.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00813" HREF="msg00813.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00815.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re:</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00817.html">MUD Design Fundamentals (Was: Looking for books...)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00813.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00718.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00816"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00816"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00717" HREF="msg00717.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Mon 25 Aug 1997, 03:04 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00728" HREF="msg00728.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 02:09 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00734" HREF="msg00734.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 05:24 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00813" HREF="msg00813.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 28 Aug 1997, 20:36 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00816" HREF="msg00816.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 28 Aug 1997, 21:48 GMT </LI> </LI> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00718" HREF="msg00718.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 25 Aug 1997, 06:41 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00720" HREF="msg00720.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Mon 25 Aug 1997, 09:09 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00727" HREF="msg00727.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 26 Aug 1997, 02:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01054" HREF="msg01054.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alignment</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 03 Sep 1997, 21:37 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>