<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Mob AI --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from scipio.globecomm.net [207.51.48.12] by in10.ibm.net id 867804614.47498-1 Wed Jul 2 00:50:14 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199707020047.RAA21270#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.GSO.3.95.970626143929.13199A-100000#merlin,sedona.net --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Mob AI</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00020.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00022.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00022.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00020.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00021">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00021">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00021">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Mob AI</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Mob AI</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 01 Jul 97 17:36:31 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <Pine.GSO.3.95.970626143929.13199A-100000#merlin,sedona.net>, on 06/26/97 at 03:39 PM, Brandon Cline <brandon#merlin,sedona.net> said: > One idea I had for AI was to have a "Reaction system" for pc's and >npc's alike, that when certain conditions were met, the system sent a >short message telling them what was up. So, say like you had a pc >that was adicted to alchol (through character generation or >something), and he hadn't had a drink for say two days, the reaction >system would then begin with messages like, "You sure could use a >drink about now." then if you continue to ignore your "adiction" the >messages would get more insistant until finally either yo uact on >them, or the computer acts for you with some default action. ...deletia... I've already come out strongly against systems like this in the past. I find the idea personally abhorrent in a way I find difficult to describe accurately. Essentially it seems to come down to the debate between whether you the human merely a background mentor for the character in the MUD, or is the character in the MUD merely a proxy for you the human (along with whatever personae etc you wish to assume)? Both models appear to offer RP support (note: I'm not an RP'er) and have received agreement from those that describe themselves as RP'ers here -- its just that the locality of the RP decisions partly shifts to the server for one, and is entirely in the player's headspace for the other. To a certain extent this difference can be modelled by asking the question, "Does the character in the MUD have any cognitive and/or computational abilities outside of its human player?". For me the unquestionable answer is, "Hell no!". The character itself is as dumb as a post if not dumber. It is effectively a virtual blob of nerve-twitching meat awaiting instruction and guidance from its "spirit" the human player. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00020.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hardcore server design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00022.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00022.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00020.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hardcore server design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00021"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00021"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00174" HREF="msg00174.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 18 Jul 1997, 07:56 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00372" HREF="msg00372.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, Martin Keegan <a href="mailto:martin#cam,sri.com">martin#cam,sri.com</a>, Mon 04 Aug 1997, 18:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00495" HREF="msg00495.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 12 Aug 1997, 19:55 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00022" HREF="msg00022.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 07:54 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00021" HREF="msg00021.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Mob AI</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 07:50 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00020" HREF="msg00020.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Hardcore server design</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 07:36 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00018" HREF="msg00018.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] common server design</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 02 Jul 1997, 04:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00080" HREF="msg00080.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] common server design</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 06 Jul 1997, 00:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00086" HREF="msg00086.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] common server design</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 08 Jul 1997, 02:53 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>