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<LI><em>From</em>: "Koster, Raph" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</A>></LI>
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On Saturday, September 20, 1997 2:22 AM, Matt
Chatterley[SMTP:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org] wrote:
> I finally got around to compacting some of these thoughts and
sending them
> here. They fit in quite well with some of the recent user-base
relevant
> debates, depending on the light you take them in.
>
> Cogitate, deliberate, and dissect.
>
> Regards,
> -Matt Chatterley
Hurm. Or, put another, different way:
Forms of PLAY:
- make believe (solo or cooperative), joint story-telling,
fictionalizing, assisted daydreaming
- less involved form of the above: social tie-building, community
building & reinforcement
- investigation, interaction with environment or "toy" object
Forms of GAME:
- competitive measure against others or self-imposed marker
threshold
- cooperative form of the above (team, etc)
Under this division it is easy to see Bartle's four types falling
nicely into two players (socializers and explorers) and two gamers
(killers and achievers). It also helps see where folks are coming from
when they say "there's no GAME in a MUSH"--defined this way, they are
right. :)
This largely comes btw from Bruno Bettelheim's writings on child
psychology. He also contended that this tends to be a gender division
in children as well--female children like make-believe more than male,
and when males engage in it, it is often solo versus group activity,
etc.
And Caliban said:
> The distinction I draw here is as follows. A hack and slash game
> actively encourages anti-social behavior (fighting and killing). A
> roleplaying game, on the other end of the spectrum, actively
encourages
> social behavior, such as clubs, organisations, etc. An adventure
game,
> on the other hand, does not specifically reward either out of
> proportion; it is instead oriented toward the character/player
engaging
> in his own freedom of choice in determining his goals, actions, and
> experience.
I find this jarring, just because I have become used to the standard
standalone computer game definition of "adventure game," which
generally implies a fixed narrative line, few choices, and little
freedom to wander off, as opposed to computer "RPG" which supposedly
provides more (though usually just means the above, with stats
evolving). That's just me, though.
I'd also go against the notion that a roleplaying game must encourage
positive social behavior. Groups with strong ties can form to engage
in anti-social activity (very common), and one may engage in
make-believe and roleplay quite satisfactorily without building social
ties (fairly uncommon).
-Raph
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<LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Usability and interface</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM>
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01483" HREF="msg01483.html">[MUD-Dev] Usability and interface</A></strong>,
Maddy <a href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</a>, Fri 26 Sep 1997, 13:26 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01488" HREF="msg01488.html">[MUD-Dev] Usability and interface</A></strong>,
Maddy <a href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</a>, Fri 26 Sep 1997, 14:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01504" HREF="msg01504.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface</A></strong>,
Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 27 Sep 1997, 06:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01515" HREF="msg01515.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Sat 27 Sep 1997, 23:29 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01323" HREF="msg01323.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Types of game</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Sat 20 Sep 1997, 19:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01334" HREF="msg01334.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Types of game</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Sun 21 Sep 1997, 02:24 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01347" HREF="msg01347.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Types of game</A></strong>,
Travis Casey <a href="mailto:efindel#polaris,net">efindel#polaris,net</a>, Sun 21 Sep 1997, 23:52 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01316" HREF="msg01316.html">Types of game</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Sat 20 Sep 1997, 14:07 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01321" HREF="msg01321.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Types of game</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sat 20 Sep 1997, 19:35 GMT
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