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<LI><em>From</em>: Adam Wiggins <<A HREF="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</A>></LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:30:40 -0700 (MST)</LI>
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[Miro:]
> Caliban Tiresias Darklock <caliban#darklock,com> writes:
> > Pray tell, how exactly do you intend to enforce that? I have several dozen
> > shell accounts, each with an associated e-mail address, and it's trivial
> > for me to create more. Any hacker worth his salt can have several hundred
> > with little difficulty.
>
> The easiest way to ban 12 years old is to introduce a long and
> involved application process that requires sending detailed character
> background and history to some email address. Note that there are
> several 100+ players MUSHes (100+ players connected at the same time,
> during evenings) that enforce this without player loss. In fact, it's
> a good way to gain players - those that do apply have a good way to
> know that the place will be relatively idiot-free.
Plus, character creation is fun. Personally I like to attract folks that
are interested in putting a lot of thought and creativity into their characters.
Don't forget your 'guest' account, though, so that people can look around
in a non-obtrusive way without having to spend an hour making a character,
or worse yet two weeks for the admin to get around to reviewing their
application. (Do I sense another thread? 'How to let people see your mud
with a guest account without intruding on the world')
> We reserve the right to choose our player base. My own choice excludes
> 12 years old, on the grounds that IMHO a MUD can't host 12 years olds
> together with a reasonable number of mentally sound 30 years old and I
> choose to favor the latter group. YMMV.
Well, I think most of us prefer an adult (meaning mature) playerbase. The
players may be any age; all that matters is how they conduct themselves.
(Which is why I've always liked interaction on-line; when I got my first
300 baud modem I was about 12, and I found that if I didn't tell anyone
my age, people just treated me how I acted, instead of making assumptions
about my mentality.)
> > > The easiest way to make sure you can cater
> > > for almost everyone is to get rid of the powergamers
> >
> > This is just plain offensive. Try replacing 'powergamers' with your
> > favorite social, ethnic, or religious group. Maybe 'gays', 'blacks', or
> > 'Jews'. I'm not even going to dignify it with a response.
>
> I am. Saying that someone is a 'black' says nothing about his or her
> psychology. Saying that someone is a powergamer is a purely
> psychological qualification and therefore very relevant. And since
> powergamers have huge influence on the atmosphere of the game, and
> since they tend to band together to the exclusion of the other player
> types, I see nothing wrong with kicking them off. Again, MUSHes have
> developed very good mechanism of self-regulation to deal with this
> problem.
Agreed, although once again everyone seems to be trying to pigeonhole people
without a second thought. I know plenty of powergamers that take 'breaks'
from their normal muds to go play a MUSH for a couple of months. I also
know hard-core RP types (mainly pen-and-paper, but some MUSHers too) who
like to take some time out to play a Diablo. It's easy to categorize players,
but the truth is that few people play only one kind of game and one kind of
style. Saying that a powergamer can't roleplay is about as silly as saying
an RP'er can't do math.
I assume, though, that what we're discussing above is people who don't ever
*want* to roleplay, which is something different entirely.
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01257" HREF="msg01257.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
Maddy <a href="mailto:maddy#fysh,org">maddy#fysh,org</a>, Thu 18 Sep 1997, 12:00 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01262" HREF="msg01262.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Thu 18 Sep 1997, 16:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01273" HREF="msg01273.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 19 Sep 1997, 07:59 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01274" HREF="msg01274.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01276" HREF="msg01276.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Fri 19 Sep 1997, 16:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01353" HREF="msg01353.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is suppo</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 22 Sep 1997, 02:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01281" HREF="msg01281.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 19 Sep 1997, 19:18 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01365" HREF="msg01365.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 22 Sep 1997, 21:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01400" HREF="msg01400.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Usability and interface and who the hell is supposed to be playing, anyway? (Was: PK Again)</A></strong>,
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