<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Rape Threads --> <!--X-From-R13: @nguna Kbfcr <lbfcrNunjnvv.rqh> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 03:01:10 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.GSO.3.95q.970827164538.21495A-100000@uhunix2 --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Rape Threads</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00793.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00795.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01024.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00829.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00794">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00794">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00794">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Rape Threads</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: Mud Design Mailing List <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Rape Threads</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Nathan Yospe <<A HREF="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:00:44 -1000</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> This has gone too far. Please, people. I am a survivor of something related myself, and the statements flying around - especially from JCL, right now - are extremely disturbing. If this doesn't stop, I will unsubscribe. I'm not joking here... there are things that are just too utterly irresponsible, in context of scientific experimentation or not. JCL - much as your mechanics, and the resultant environment, interest me, actively supporting and encouraging rape is detestable. As for shell shock - Jeff - also from my own history (gang related, not real war, but still) - shell shock is not nearly as permanent and scaring a trauma. There has only been one thing in my life worse than my childhood, and that was failing to protect someone I loved from being victimized in the same manner. This is very real for me, and to see it trivialized and bolstered in this manner is thoroughly unpleasant. Can we please get back to muds, the design of same, and so forth? This may be entirely signal - the issue is an important ethical one for mud design - but the idea of actively encouraging it, knowing you, Chris, is something you almost certainly adopted primarily for its shock value - its contrariness to the norms. I must beg you, consider something besides violating norms for this issue - consider the real consequences, and their scope. If you missed my recent spark-stirring post on rgma, I must reiterate - when we choose to open an environment, whatever the sort, for communities to form in, we are implicitely and inherently responsible for the consequences. This is not a request, this is a simple statement of facts. If you are going to insist on irresponsible decisions, that is your choice, and I cannot do anything about it. Nevertheless, I will think less of you, and seriously believe, technical skill aside, you should not be running a mud, at least not one open to people not fully briefed and with complete awareness of the situation. "Warning: you may well be raped. The administration will do nothing to prevent this, and in fact actively encourages it." </rant> -- "You? We can't take you," said the Dean, glaring at the Librarian. "You don't know a thing about guerilla warfare." - Reaper Man, Nathan F. Yospe Registered Looney by Terry Pratchett yospe#hawaii,edu <A HREF="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~yospe">http://www2.hawaii.edu/~yospe</A> Meow </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Jon A. Lambert" <jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00829" HREF="msg00829.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> caliban#darklock,com (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00793.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character evolution</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00795.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Character evolution</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01024.html">Re: MUD Universe</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00829.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00794"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00794"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Universe</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00884" HREF="msg00884.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Universe</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 31 Aug 1997, 16:30 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01000" HREF="msg01000.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Universe</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 02 Sep 1997, 09:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01114" HREF="msg01114.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: MUD Universe</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 05 Sep 1997, 23:15 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01024" HREF="msg01024.html">Re: MUD Universe</A></strong>, S001GMU <a href="mailto:S001GMU#nova,wright.edu">S001GMU#nova,wright.edu</a>, Tue 02 Sep 1997, 20:07 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00794" HREF="msg00794.html">Rape Threads</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 28 Aug 1997, 03:01 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00829" HREF="msg00829.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Fri 29 Aug 1997, 00:43 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00832" HREF="msg00832.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Fri 29 Aug 1997, 01:41 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00834" HREF="msg00834.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Fri 29 Aug 1997, 01:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00842" HREF="msg00842.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rape Threads</A></strong>, Robin Carey <a href="mailto:r.carey#dcs,napier.ac.uk">r.carey#dcs,napier.ac.uk</a>, Fri 29 Aug 1997, 14:56 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>