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<LI><em>From</em>: Greg Munt <<A HREF="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</A>></LI>
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Contributors to my project have decided that using a language geared
specifically towards the application will be beneficial. Whether this
language will be used to implement all or part of the mud has not been
decided.
I'm thinking that designing a language blindly would be a Bad Thing.
Since subscribers to this list would probably have wide-reaching
experiences in many languages, I'd be interested in, say, a list of the
top five best and worst features of a language (features specific to a
certain language, in addition to generic attributes).
Most contributors to my project have not much more experience than C/C++,
Pascal, et al. I'm more interested in features of 'older' languages,
those that are now seldom used (principally because although the language
may be old and no-longer used, this does not mean that it is bad, or that
certain of its features are bad - for example, I believe that C++ took
features from C, BCPL and Algol...), mainly because those features *may*
be less familiar and/or forgotten.
Contributors are mainly going for either the LPC approach (code something
close to what we understand (i.e. C), but with some enhancements), or the
Java approach (code something close to what we understand (i.e. C),
removing some of (what we consider to be) its bad points, such as
pointers). There seems to be no 'design the language for its intended
users/function/application', which is something I feel that needs to be
part of the equation, somewhat.
What are the tradeoffs involved between implementing the entire mud in a
custom-designed language (a la LP/Cold), or only implementing part of it
in that language (cf Tiny et al, I guess)?
Is C++ actually a worthwhile language to implement a mud in? I'd be
interested in anyone trying to write a mud in standard language other
than C/C++ or Java. Also, in people's experiences with full-on OOPLs -
could a custom-designed language similar to, say, Eiffel, be used to
effectively implement a mud?
The model I am thinking of is an extra layer added onto the standard 6-layer
VM. This would involve a driver/lib combination like LP/Cold, yes?
Note: when I joined this list at the back end of March, it had a dying
thread called 'MUD Languages'. Would that be of interest to me, do
you think? If so, is it in any way possible to get a copy of just that
particular thread?
Another note: I seem to remember quite a long 'Languages' thread around
April/May too. I also remember it caused a number of religious "My
language is better than your language" battles. I hope this post doesn't
start them up again :) (Particularly considering that any potential replies
will me mainly subjective...)
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00593" HREF="msg00593.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Spellcaster, or Waving Hands</A></strong>,
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,umop-ap.com">jleonard#divcom,umop-ap.com</a>, Fri 15 Aug 1997, 00:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00614" HREF="msg00614.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Spellcaster, or Waving Hands</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 15 Aug 1997, 22:39 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00615" HREF="msg00615.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Spellcaster, or Waving Hands</A></strong>,
Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Fri 15 Aug 1997, 23:05 GMT
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clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 07 Aug 1997, 01:00 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00415" HREF="msg00415.html">Mud Languages</A></strong>,
Greg Munt <a href="mailto:greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk">greg#uni-corn,demon.co.uk</a>, Thu 07 Aug 1997, 00:46 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00525" HREF="msg00525.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Mud Languages</A></strong>,
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00414" HREF="msg00414.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] Generalized AI last try!</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 06 Aug 1997, 22:50 GMT
<LI><strong><A NAME="00413" HREF="msg00413.html">RE: [MUD-Dev] PirateMUD and CSL</A></strong>,
Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 06 Aug 1997, 22:13 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00534" HREF="msg00534.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PirateMUD and CSL</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 14 Aug 1997, 00:53 GMT
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