<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution) --> <!--X-From-R13: [nevna Uevssvgu <telcubaNvnrui.ay> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:26:57 +0000 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Marcel-1.26-0913145325-b49Ky&5#Gryphon,knoware.nl --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199709130858.BAA20919#user1,inficad.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01203.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01205.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01203.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01206.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01204">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01204">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01204">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:53:25 +0100 (BST)</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sat 13 Sep, Adam Wiggins wrote: > > From: clawrenc#cup,hp.com > > The blast doesn't directly kill them, but the resulting changes in the > > environment do... > > So, a PK'er can not directly kill a Non-PK'er, but they can alter the > > environment in such a way that the Non-PK'er dies? How is that any > > differnt from a slightly more complicated way of putting a sword thru > > the Non-PK'er? > I think JC's point was that it's impossible to determine what makes something > a PK or not. As most experienced mudders know: if it's possible to die > via game mechanics on a mud, it is possible for others to kill you. Never > mind if they can hurt you directly or not; this only rules out 'honorable' > methods of attack. I thought we more or less concluded that this was a agree to disagree subject? My opinion on it though, is that what makes something PK is the inten- tion of the attacking player. What upsets people is unprovoked attack not accidental death. I have been killed on muds through stupidity of other players. That didn't matter because it was an accident. And I've been, well not attacked because I do not play games that allow killing of other players, followed by players who intended to make themselves to all other players. The intention was there and only the non-PK rule prevented them from outright fighting but they did everything else to make life miserable to others. It is the mindset that counts, not the act that is the result. [slightly convoluted examples snipped] I would hesitantly say they are indeed attempts to PK, though the victim is unable to tell. I'm not sure if it matters though. Marian -- Yes - at last - You. I Choose you. Out of all the world, out of all the seeking, I have found you, young sister of my heart! You are mine and I am yours - and never again will there be loneliness ... Rolan Choosing Talia, Arrows of the Queen, by Mercedes Lackey </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01206" HREF="msg01206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01203" HREF="msg01203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01205.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Mud Games</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01204"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01204"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Attributions and Eudora</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00851" HREF="msg00851.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] META: Attributions and Eudora</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sat 30 Aug 1997, 01:56 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01188" HREF="msg01188.html">Re: Character evolution</A></strong>, S001GMU <a href="mailto:S001GMU#nova,wright.edu">S001GMU#nova,wright.edu</a>, Fri 12 Sep 1997, 13:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01195" HREF="msg01195.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 12 Sep 1997, 20:41 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01203" HREF="msg01203.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Character evolution</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 08:57 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01204" HREF="msg01204.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 14:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01206" HREF="msg01206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 23:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01207" HREF="msg01207.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 14 Sep 1997, 04:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01228" HREF="msg01228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 16 Sep 1997, 16:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01232" HREF="msg01232.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 06:22 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>