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<H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</H1>
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<LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Marian Griffith <<A HREF="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</A>></LI>
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On Wed 17 Sep, Matt Chatterley wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jon A. Lambert wrote:
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> > On 13 Sep 97 at 20:42, Adam Wiggins wrote:
> > >Some folks want to play a mud where it is impossible to hurt other players;
> > >is this possible to achieve in any sort of semi-complex or consistant
> > >game world?
> > Perhaps there is some base principle at work here.
> > As the implementation of realism is increased, the chances and
> > methods of inflicting pain are increased either directly or
> > indirectly.
> Vastly so. The more and more realistic you make anything (within any
> theme), the more ways you provide for people to be directly and indirectly
> injured by others. Wether PK is possible or not - remember these other
> 'indirect' (or 'consequential') ways of killing, since they are extremely
> hard to stamp out. Less so than if you have 'optional' PK, mind you, since
> you can usually get away with 'if a player is the root cause.. do not hurt
> players' as a universal rule, which, while it may be daft in some
> situations, is not as daft as only hurting some players.
> Hence my reasoning for not stopping PK in any way shape or form (but then,
> it will always be dangerous - a well equipped newbie would be a match for
> a moderately experienced by poorly equipped player). Avoid angry mobs if
> possible.
In my thinking PK is not a problem with abilities but with mentality.
That means the prevention should be handled through administration
rather than through the code. A game mechanic that makes fighting
other players dangerous is not going to deter unstable or plain
obnoxious players.
> You pays your money, you takes your choice, basically. I feel similarly,
> and want to allow full on PK (I don't actually expect it to happen,
> though, since the consequences in a safe area will probably be lethal, and
> the result of this removes you from the game for some time - the 'arse'
> minded player who likes to chain kill people will have to actually play
> after the kill to get back into the game).
That will prevent the mild cases. But the truly obnoxious (insert your
favourite expletive) player is going to just write off a character and
create a new one. Short of sitebanning nothing is going to stop those.
Marian
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01206" HREF="msg01206.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sat 13 Sep 1997, 23:45 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01207" HREF="msg01207.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 14 Sep 1997, 04:28 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01228" HREF="msg01228.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Tue 16 Sep 1997, 16:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01232" HREF="msg01232.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 06:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01239" HREF="msg01239.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 18:37 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01240" HREF="msg01240.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Wed 17 Sep 1997, 19:21 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01288" HREF="msg01288.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 19 Sep 1997, 22:02 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01298" HREF="msg01298.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 20 Sep 1997, 00:01 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01233" HREF="msg01233.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] PK again (was: Character evolution)</A></strong>,
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