<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary --> <!--X-From-R13: "Pehpr [vgpurare, Xe." <oehprNcherzntvp.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:45:37 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 03c301be0164$6408ac80$58f272cf#howdy,cybersight.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00536.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00538.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00511.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00656.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00537">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00537">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00537">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Bruce Mitchener, Jr." <<A HREF="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:43:49 -0800</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Monday, October 26, 1998, Jon A. Lambert wrote: > On 26 Oct 98, Alex Oren wrote: > > Personally I think that it should be language-independent so modules could be > > written in any language. This will probably add some programming overhead to > > non "native" programming but I think the flexibility is worth it. > > > > I kinda like the Self object model (but not the syntax of the language). > > See <A HREF="http://self.smli.com/">http://self.smli.com/</A> for info. > > Self has pretty 'heavy' objects. Instead of class concepts there are > prototype objects. It has been done in ColdC. IMO, if the Self > model was sufficient, there would have been no desire or need for > Cold's $frob construct. I personally feel that the frob datatype (in addition to being fairly hard for most people learning ColdC to learn) is fairly well mis-understood. It is closest to being the way to implement abstract datatypes, where you want all method calls regarding that data to be routed to a particular object. It is also highly useful, because of the method handler, for implementing proxies for remote objects. It is currently used as a lightweight object in some code, which isn't really where its strength is. The syntax for a literal frob is: <object, data, handler> where the handler is optional. With a frob without a handler, any call made get transformed: frob.method(args) => object.method(data, args) .... While this looks fairly, odd, it has uses within the structure of Cold. Where it gets interesting is when there is a method handler, the call gets transformed like this: frob.method(args) -> object.handler(data, method, args) ... With this, you could have something like so: <$distributor, #[['object, $blah], ['home_system, "ice.cold.org:1150"]], 'proxy_handler>, so that any calls made on that frob would get transmitted over the network by the $distributor object. The method handler could also possibly provide some agent-oriented programming capabilities, but that is probably a bit of a stretch. BTW, MOO has something similar that someone was working with (not in a released server, but has been mentioned on MOO-Cows) in the WAIF datatype (<A HREF="http://www.tcp.com/~ben/MOO/waif-progman.html">http://www.tcp.com/~ben/MOO/waif-progman.html</A>). - Bruce </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00656" HREF="msg00656.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> "Jon A. 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 26 Oct 1998, 06:18 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00537" HREF="msg00537.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 04:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00656" HREF="msg00656.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 01 Nov 1998, 04:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00539" HREF="msg00539.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 06:05 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00540" HREF="msg00540.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 06:13 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00548" HREF="msg00548.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 09:50 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>