<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) --> <!--X-From-R13: X Q Znjerapr <pynjNxnatn.ah> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:39 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: E0zWYgR-0005YU-00#mail,kanga.nu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.5.32.19981022224534.0086ca30#mythicgames,com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Communi</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00386.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00388.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00373.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00394.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00387">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00387">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00387">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: J C Lawrence <<A HREF="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:18:38 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:45:34 -0400 Darrin Hyrup<shades#mythicgames,com> wrote: > IMO, one of the main sufferings of softcode heavy muds is that they > use the internal language for too much. It slows down the server > and takes up a lot of CPU, cutting down the number of users one can > support and adding delays/lag. This is a myth originated by partially competant authors and users of softcode servers. It is a very long way from the truth. Go have a look at properly (ie efficiently) constructed and written softcode based MUDs (ColdX and BatMUD are good starters). Also look at the (very few) stats available from Marcus Ranum Note: Some statistics for ColdX were posted to this list quite some time back by either Brandon Gillespie or Miro. There are also a few quoted messages from Marcus in the archives. Want the truth? Well written softcode servers are entirely capable of outperforming moderately well written hardcoded servers. > The plug-in solution allows the mud programmer a choice in how they > wish to set their system up. If they wish, they can code more in > the internal language, or they can use existing mud-code, or use > pre-compiled plugins (or create their own) for speed. That way > neither flexibility nor efficiency are sacrificed, and the server > remains as simple and slim as possible. Such modular systems require what is essence is a message passing system for the communication between modules. It can be difficult (witness the Mach micro-kernel) to ensure that the message passing overhead does not become a significant fraction of the total processing effort. This will be especially difficult as the number of boundary crossings (inter-module) for a modular plug0in-style server will be difficult to keep low. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#kanga,nu ----------(*) Internet: coder#kanga,nu ...Honourary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00397" HREF="msg00397.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Darrin Hyrup <shades#mythicgames,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00394" HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Petri Virkkula <pvirkkul#iki,fi></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00373" HREF="msg00373.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Darrin Hyrup <shades#mythicgames,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00386.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00388.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00373.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00387"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00387"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00339" HREF="msg00339.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 04:58 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00368" HREF="msg00368.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Hal Black <a href="mailto:hal#moos,ml.org">hal#moos,ml.org</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 23:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00372" HREF="msg00372.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#dworkin,nl">felix#dworkin,nl</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 01:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00373" HREF="msg00373.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00387" HREF="msg00387.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 04:18 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00394" HREF="msg00394.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Petri Virkkula <a href="mailto:pvirkkul#iki,fi">pvirkkul#iki,fi</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 12:37 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00397" HREF="msg00397.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:51 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00412" HREF="msg00412.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 20:18 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00375" HREF="msg00375.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 02:52 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>