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<LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures</LI>
<LI><em>From</em>: Jon Leonard &lt;<A HREF="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</A>&gt;</LI>
<LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:25:03 -0800</LI>
<LI><em>Cc</em>: Jon Leonard &lt;<A HREF="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</A>&gt;</LI>
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On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 10:25:34PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
&gt;
&gt; Writing as list owner:
&gt;
&gt;   This is what is going to happen:
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&gt;       1) DevMUD will get its own list.  The list will have some sort
&gt; of posting controls (currently undecided, but probably a requirement
&gt; to be an existant MUD-Dev member with posting authority).

Sounds good.

&gt;       2) There will (possibly, also undecided) be a DevMUD-Dev list
&gt; strictly for code-work on DevMUD.  CVS checkin announcements and other
&gt; DevMUD respository posts will also go here.

I don't think this needs to be a separate list.  Tagging the appropriate
posts should be enough for those who really want to filter them out.
Does anyone want to be part of a DevMUD discussion and _not_ see the
evidence of progress?

&gt;   When?  Not sure.  I'd love to do the new lists after I roll MUD-Dev
&gt; to Kettledrum (currently on hold until the new bounce code starts
&gt; actually working).  Given the fact that it needs a re-design and
&gt; rewrite (ie pass #1 was a failure, time for pass #2) this could take a
&gt; week (I have minimal spare time right now).  I don't think we have
&gt; that long.

I don't think a week delay would hurt much.  As a temporary (permanent?)
measure I'll take code in email and do nightly integrations.  Not that
much code should be written before a module protocol.

&gt;   I'm open to persuasion on any of the above.  I'm also open to brief
&gt; and very pointed discussion of what is needed and necessary from me,
&gt; Kanga.Nu, the mailing lists, CVS, et al in support and furtherance of
&gt; DevMUD.  Translation: the meta-floor for DevMUD is briefly open.

I'd appreciate using Kanga.Nu as a host for the mailing list, and a code
mirror.  Unless CVS trees distribute nicely, I have a small preference for
the primary repository being frost.slimy.com.

&gt;   Rules:
&gt;
&gt;       1) Please post under this subject heading ONLY.
&gt;
&gt;       2) This thread is to be short lived (no more than a few days).
&gt;
&gt;       3) Discussion of design issues on this thread will not be
&gt; appreciated.
&gt;
&gt;   Commentary:
&gt;
&gt;       Find yourselves a benign dictator.  If you want a very simple
&gt; and elegant demonstration of why you need one, read the ICGnu archives
&gt; at Kanga.Nu and the previously referenced Slashdot article.  You may
&gt; use this meta discussion to aid resolving the leadership question.  I
&gt; would appreciate it however if the brunt of the "find-a-dictator"
&gt; traffic occured off list.  (ObThreat:  I'm very tempted to just
&gt; appoint one).

Unless someone else wants to do this (any other volunteers?), this looks
to be me.  There's plenty of room for things like a VM lead if people want
to do this sort of thing without running the whole project.

Jon Leonard


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<LI><strong><A NAME="00719" HREF="msg00719.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: My vision for DevMUD</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 18:55 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00712" HREF="msg00712.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: My vision for DevMUD</A></strong>, 
Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 14:09 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00726" HREF="msg00726.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: My vision for DevMUD</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 21:54 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00706" HREF="msg00706.html">[MUD-Dev] META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures</A></strong>, 
J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 06:25 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00725" HREF="msg00725.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 21:32 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00727" HREF="msg00727.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures</A></strong>, 
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 22:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00729" HREF="msg00729.html">[MUD-Dev] DevMUD Prototyping (was META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures)</A></strong>, 
Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Tue 03 Nov 1998, 22:56 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00735" HREF="msg00735.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Prototyping (was META: DevMUD, MUD-Dev, and (list) futures)</A></strong>, 
James Wilson <a href="mailto:jwilson#rochester,rr.com">jwilson#rochester,rr.com</a>, Wed 04 Nov 1998, 00:47 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="00762" HREF="msg00762.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: DevMUD Prototyping</A></strong>, 
Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Wed 04 Nov 1998, 14:48 GMT
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