<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module --> <!--X-From-R13: "F. Oyrknaqre Bbcvry" <cbcvryNfahtuneobe.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:32:57 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199812221632.IAA17573#cashew,snugharbor.com.snugharbor.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: XFMail.981221232233.cynbe#muq,org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01040.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01042.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01042.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01044.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01041">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01041">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01041">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module </LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "T. Alexander Popiel" <<A HREF="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:32:44 -0800</LI> <LI><em>cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</A></LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In message: <<A HREF="msg01037.html">XFMail.981221232233.cynbe#muq,org</A>> cynbe#muq,org writes: > >(2) If you need to pass numbers through human channels, a possible > improvement on UUENCODE-ing style translation is: > (a) Pick a set of 1024 words (probably short, single-syllable words) > (b) bite off 10-bit chunks from your integer, and use each to select > a word from the set: A 64-bit integer becomes seven words. > The result will be a number encoding with much more mnemonic value to > native speakers than the corresponding UUENCODE-ed version: I'm sure > any of us can remember seven words easier than 16 random hex digits. > (For extra credit: Pick separate verb, noun and adjective sets of > 1024 words, and arrange for your numbers to make grammatical sentences. > I'll bet this will increase the mnemonicity of the encoded numbers > significantly.) I was briefly involved with some similar work in PGPFone; in that case, two dictionaries of 256 words were used. One dictionary contained only two-syllable words, and the other contained only three-syllable words. The dictionaries were used alternatingly when encoding a byte sequence, so that dropping a single word would be bleedingly obvious. Another very important factor that went into the dictionary generation was the concept of word-distance. The words in each dictionary were specifically chosen not to sound like one another, or be easily confused with other words. Thus, 'phonograph' and 'photograph' do not appear in the three-syllable dictionary because they might be mistaken for one another. (The final dictionaries were chosen from wordlists of a couple thousand words as a distance maximization problem. I think we used simulated annealing in the process.) I think that all the words we used were nouns; nonsense sentences are not noticably easier to remember than just strings of nouns (and a lot harder to generate, given the restrictions we put on the dictionaries!). (Meaningful sentences, on the other hand, would be easier to remember, but we didn't even consider that.) I'm not sure if this system got included in the final product, since I've actually never looked at the final product. :-) - Alex </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01037" HREF="msg01037.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> cynbe#muq,org</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01040.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01042.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01042.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01044.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01041"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01041"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01038" HREF="msg01038.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 06:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01039" HREF="msg01039.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, cynbe <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 10:14 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01040" HREF="msg01040.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, Jay Carlson <a href="mailto:nop#mitre,org">nop#mitre,org</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 15:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01042" HREF="msg01042.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, cynbe <a href="mailto:cynbe#muq,org">cynbe#muq,org</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 20:12 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01041" HREF="msg01041.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, T. Alexander Popiel <a href="mailto:popiel#snugharbor,com">popiel#snugharbor,com</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 16:32 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01044" HREF="msg01044.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: [DevMUD] Re: Database module</A></strong>, Felix A. Croes <a href="mailto:felix#dworkin,nl">felix#dworkin,nl</a>, Tue 22 Dec 1998, 21:42 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01024" HREF="msg01024.html">[MUD-Dev] Developing a MUD for the first time?</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Mon 21 Dec 1998, 07:13 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01022" HREF="msg01022.html">[MUD-Dev] client stuff...</A></strong>, Andrew Wilson <a href="mailto:andrew#aaaaaaaa,demon.co.uk">andrew#aaaaaaaa,demon.co.uk</a>, Sat 19 Dec 1998, 20:04 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="01017" HREF="msg01017.html">[MUD-Dev] example custom protocol and its uses</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 19 Dec 1998, 07:26 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>