<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary --> <!--X-From-R13: "Xba O. Znzoreg" <wyflfvapNvk.argpbz.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:02:12 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199811010358.VAA28059@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 03c301be0164$6408ac80$58f272cf#howdy,cybersight.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00655.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00657.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00537.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00539.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00656">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00656">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00656">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Jon A. Lambert" <<A HREF="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:59:10 -5</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On 26 Oct 98, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. wrote: > On Monday, October 26, 1998, Jon A. Lambert wrote: > > > > Self has pretty 'heavy' objects. Instead of class concepts there are > > prototype objects. It has been done in ColdC. IMO, if the Self > > model was sufficient, there would have been no desire or need for > > Cold's $frob construct. > > I personally feel that the frob datatype (in addition to being fairly hard > for most people learning ColdC to learn) is fairly well mis-understood. I can't disagree with that. >It > is closest to being the way to implement abstract datatypes, where you want > all method calls regarding that data to be routed to a particular object. > It is also highly useful, because of the method handler, for implementing > proxies for remote objects. It is currently used as a lightweight object in > some code, which isn't really where its strength is. A side-effect. Those preferring a different object model may be tempted to use it as such. I've been told I've been using it wrong, but it feels so right. ;) > The syntax for a literal frob is: <object, data, handler> where the handler > is optional. With a frob without a handler, any call made get transformed: > frob.method(args) => object.method(data, args) .... While this looks > fairly, odd, it has uses within the structure of Cold. Where it gets > interesting is when there is a method handler, the call gets transformed > like this: frob.method(args) -> object.handler(data, method, args) ... With > this, you could have something like so: > > <$distributor, #[['object, $blah], ['home_system, "ice.cold.org:1150"]], > 'proxy_handler> And that's a simple one, Bruce. A very user-friendly syntax has always been one of my design goals. It would be nice if Cold had a fixed-in-stone bytecode model, then maybe someone could use it as target for an Objective Rexx compiler, or some such thing. A possible release 2 feature? :) -- --/*\ Jon A. Lambert - TychoMUD Internet:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com /*\-- --/*\ Mud Server Developer's Page <<A HREF="http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc">http://www.netcom.com/~jlsysinc</A>> /*\-- --/*\ "Everything that deceives may be said to enchant" - Plato /*\-- </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00537" HREF="msg00537.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> "Bruce Mitchener, Jr." <bruce#puremagic,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00655.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Why modules? 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Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Mon 26 Oct 1998, 06:18 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00537" HREF="msg00537.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 04:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00656" HREF="msg00656.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Sun 01 Nov 1998, 04:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00539" HREF="msg00539.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 06:05 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00540" HREF="msg00540.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 06:13 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00548" HREF="msg00548.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Tue 27 Oct 1998, 09:50 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00559" HREF="msg00559.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Wed 28 Oct 1998, 04:14 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>