<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign) --> <!--X-From-R13: "Ybfgre, Dncu" <exbfgreNbevtva.rn.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:04:50 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 11A17AA2B9EAD111BCEA00A0C9B41793EDC163#forest,origin.ea.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00270.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00272.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00282.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00278.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00271">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00271">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00271">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Koster, Raph" <<A HREF="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:59:18 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> > -----Original Message----- > From: Vadim Tkachenko [<A HREF="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org</A>] > Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:29 PM > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D > esign) > > > Steve Sparks wrote: > > [skipped] > > > > And, the crackers play a positive role as well - I doubt > your losses > > > would be THAT bad if even you charge $20/hour, but they > will definitely > > > spot the weak links in your system, and ultimately you > will thank them. > > > > This is true, and the people who write the "crack" programs do you a > > service sometimes but most of the time it disrupts normal > play....whatever > > thing might be.... > > Now, back to school. What is a definition of a normal play? Strict: play that obeys the intent of the rules created by the games' designers. Loose: whatever keeps the most players happy. Crack programs break both of these. I have NEVER seen a game where prevalence of hack programs was regarded as a good thing by either the designers or the playerbase as a whole. -Raph </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00278" HREF="msg00278.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Vadim Tkachenko <vt#freehold,crocodile.org></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00270.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00272.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00282.html">[MUD-Dev] Lengthy Palace study</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00278.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00271"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00271"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00293" HREF="msg00293.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Hacks/Diablo/etc (was: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign))</A></strong>, quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 07:13 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00283" HREF="msg00283.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 02:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00334" HREF="msg00334.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 03:23 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00282" HREF="msg00282.html">[MUD-Dev] Lengthy Palace study</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 02:13 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00271" HREF="msg00271.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 15:04 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00278" HREF="msg00278.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Vadim Tkachenko <a href="mailto:vt#freehold,crocodile.org">vt#freehold,crocodile.org</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 00:38 GMT </LI> </UL> <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00272" HREF="msg00272.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 16:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00276" HREF="msg00276.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Steve Sparks <a href="mailto:ssparks#enigma,sss.org">ssparks#enigma,sss.org</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 17:49 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00273" HREF="msg00273.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 17:05 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>