<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals) --> <!--X-From-R13: Quevf Uenl <ptNnzv-pt.UenlEntr.Sqzbagba.OP.QO> --> <!--X-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:09:10 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199810240102.TAA01731@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Communi</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00438.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00440.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00437.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00448.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00439">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00439">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00439">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Chris Gray <<A HREF="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:02:58 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [Darrin Hyrup:] >>Want the truth? Well written softcode servers are entirely capable of >>outperforming moderately well written hardcoded servers. > >Hmm... I disagree. Take, for example, Chris Grey's posts about the >efficiency of his mud language. Its the fastest I've seen, and its still >12x slower than native code. Yep, that was my best-case. However, that was on either a fractal terrain generator or a fake Towers of Hanoi. Both are 100% integer operations. No strings, *very* minimal database references, no floating point, no communication. Just integer cranking. That type of stuff shows the *most* slowdown from native code. MUD code that does a lot of database references and string operations will show much less difference between native code and byte-code (or any other reasonably efficient interpretation scheme.) In a previous post, I was saying much the same as JC is saying above. A couple of months ago, I recall posting some results indicating that my server on this 300Mhz Pentium-II looked to be able to handle around 500 users **ignoring network communication**. It is the communication that I think is the real cost. -- Chris Gray cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00438.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud thread summary</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00440.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud, Gamora and Casbah</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00437.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00448.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00439"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00439"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00395" HREF="msg00395.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00396" HREF="msg00396.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Fri 23 Oct 1998, 14:46 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00435" HREF="msg00435.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, ApplePiMan <a href="mailto:ApplePiMan#aol,com">ApplePiMan#aol,com</a>, Sat 24 Oct 1998, 00:30 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00437" HREF="msg00437.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 24 Oct 1998, 00:48 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00439" HREF="msg00439.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 24 Oct 1998, 01:09 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00448" HREF="msg00448.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Bruce Mitchener, Jr. <a href="mailto:bruce#puremagic,com">bruce#puremagic,com</a>, Sat 24 Oct 1998, 03:33 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00331" HREF="msg00331.html">[MUD-Dev] PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, ApplePiMan <a href="mailto:ApplePiMan#aol,com">ApplePiMan#aol,com</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 01:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00347" HREF="msg00347.html">[MUD-Dev] PDMud (was Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals)</A></strong>, Niklas Elmqvist <a href="mailto:d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se">d97elm#dtek,chalmers.se</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 11:19 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00309" HREF="msg00309.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: evil - good realism</A></strong>, Wilburn, E.J. <a href="mailto:WilburnE#kochind,com">WilburnE#kochind,com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 18:03 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>