<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like... --> <!--X-From-R13: "Brpx, [nggurj k96724p1" <k96724Nrkznvy.hfzn.nezl.zvy> --> <!--X-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:08:55 -0800 --> <!--X-Message-Id: AF02FD48C411D211868400E0291AAB2C3DD1F2@EXMAIL10-1 --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00832.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00834.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00828.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00804.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00833">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00833">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00833">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: "'<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>'" <<A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: "Peck, Matthew x96724c1" <<A HREF="mailto:x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil">x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:47:23 -0500</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> incidentally, calcium is a metal. However, I really do think that making up your own chemistry would be a lot easier to do than to use the real world's. Here I am devoting my life to its study, and I barely understand the tiniest portion of it. Never read Permutation City, but I'll have to take a look at it. Matthew Peck > ---------- > From: Hal Black[SMTP:hal#moos,ml.org] > Reply To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > Sent: Thursday, 12 November, 1998 11:48 AM > To: mud-dev#kanga,nu > Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the > like... > > On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 10:22:28PM -0800, quzah [sotfhome] wrote: > > [Hal Black] > > >> material is what it's made of. Could be a mixture, complex > structure, > > >> or pure molecular/elemental type. Lots of room for development > here, > > >> depending on how involved you want to get. (are animals and > plants the > > >> same or different subtypes of "organic", etc...) There are > mixtures, > > >> alloys, all kinds of neat stuff. Go to your college book store > and sit > > >> down with a Chemistry 101 book and thumb through it for a while > for > > >> ideas. There is some neat stuff in there. > > > > > > For starters, I'm dropping in the element table, from there, I'll > add in > > some common compounds, and I'll take it from there. There's no way > I'll > > be able to make it so you can combine X and Y and X in the correct > amounts > > and produce every possible compound/solution/whatever and make it be > able > > to be used correctly, so I am going to have to fake it and put in > what I > > can think up (with their correct proportions of X,Y,Z as reference) > so you > > can create things from my list. > > A simplified chemistry is definately in order... You will spend all > your life > trying to simulate real-world chemistry (as some people have) > > An interesting reference (which has been referenced here before but > yet again > becomes pertinent) is Greg Egan's novel _Permutation_City_ In it, > there is a > simulated chemistry system called the autoverse where there are 31 > elements and > no quantum effects. Not a lot of technical detail, but a fun read. > > It would be rather ambitious to get a whole world working this way > (And indeed > computationally intensive! 8') But just at the level of alchemy, you > might > want to consider making up elements yourself, or just making only some > of the > elements (or fundamental molecules) be involved in alchemy... or a > mixture > of the two. > > I'd try to pick some representatives of the different types of > elements. Maybe > one sodium-type metal, one noble gas (helium), a few metals (silver, > alluminum, > gold, copper, lead), some nonmetals (calcium, nitrogen, chlorine) and > of course > hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon are very important. And I'm probably > forgetting > some fun ones like phosphorus. But with just that limited amount, you > can do a > decent amount of chemistry, say make some acids, salts, some organic > compounds... > > -- > MUD-Dev: Advancing an unrealised future. > </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00832.html">[MUD-Dev] MUD clients, testing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00834.html">[MUD-Dev] JOB: Project manager and scaling/networking guru needed for game project</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00828.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00804.html">[MUD-Dev] Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00833"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00833"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00830" HREF="msg00830.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Emil Eifrem <a href="mailto:emil#prophecy,lu">emil#prophecy,lu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 12:26 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00838" HREF="msg00838.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 23:56 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00836" HREF="msg00836.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 23:06 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00828" HREF="msg00828.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 08:28 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00833" HREF="msg00833.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Peck, Matthew x96724c1 <a href="mailto:x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil">x96724#exmail,usma.army.mil</a>, Thu 12 Nov 1998, 17:08 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00804" HREF="msg00804.html">[MUD-Dev] Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, quzah [sotfhome] <a href="mailto:quzah#softhome,net">quzah#softhome,net</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 05:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00808" HREF="msg00808.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:adam#angel,com">adam#angel,com</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 19:39 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00811" HREF="msg00811.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Spell components, chemistry, and the like...</A></strong>, Nathan F Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 10 Nov 1998, 23:56 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00800" HREF="msg00800.html">[MUD-Dev] Quick socket answer</A></strong>, Dr. Cat <a href="mailto:cat#bga,com">cat#bga,com</a>, Sun 08 Nov 1998, 19:38 GMT </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>