<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design) --> <!--X-From-R13: Quevf Uenl <ptNnzv-pt.UenlEntr.Sqzbagba.OP.QO> --> <!--X-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:25:46 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199810150226.UAA16827@ami-cg.GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World De</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00213.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00215.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00205.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00180.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00214">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00214">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00214">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Chris Gray <<A HREF="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:26:09 -0600</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> [J C Lawrence:] >Chris Gray<cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA> wrote: > >> [J C Lawrence:] >>> 3) Data I don't care if its correct or not. > >>> Examples of each: > >>> #3 Predictive data from clients, or data from clients that >>> doesn't directly affect world state (eg SAY, TELL). > >> Only if no NPC hears what is spoken and acts on it. E.g. > >> tell packrat to kill Chris > ><ponder> > >I fail to see how this is a compromise outside of the case where the >claimed originator of the command is forged (already caught by >simple veracity checking -- commands for characters can only >originate from clients representing those characters). [Long clip to get context.] I must have missed or ignored some important context. I was just trying to show that things like SAY and TELL can affect world state. Perhaps not directly enough to matter in the context that I've missed. -- Chris Gray cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00213.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Laws of Online World Design</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00215.html">[MUD-Dev] Network float format (RFC 1014)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00205.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00214"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00214"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00192" HREF="msg00192.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 13 Oct 1998, 23:14 GMT <UL> <li><Possible follow-up(s)><br> <LI><strong><A NAME="00194" HREF="msg00194.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Wed 14 Oct 1998, 01:41 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00202" HREF="msg00202.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 14 Oct 1998, 17:32 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00205" HREF="msg00205.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Wed 14 Oct 1998, 19:21 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00214" HREF="msg00214.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Thu 15 Oct 1998, 02:25 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00180" HREF="msg00180.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment</A></strong>, Koster, Raph <a href="mailto:rkoster#origin,ea.com">rkoster#origin,ea.com</a>, Tue 13 Oct 1998, 19:08 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00170" HREF="msg00170.html">[MUD-Dev] A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment</A></strong>, Brandon A Downey <a href="mailto:badowney#sprynet,com">badowney#sprynet,com</a>, Tue 13 Oct 1998, 09:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00177" HREF="msg00177.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: A Query Regarding Economies in a Text Environment</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Tue 13 Oct 1998, 18:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00169" HREF="msg00169.html">[MUD-Dev] Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World Design)</A></strong>, mark <a href="mailto:mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU">mark#erdos,Stanford.EDU</a>, Tue 13 Oct 1998, 06:29 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>