<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals --> <!--X-From-R13: Syvf Bbznyrf <cbznyrfNpnvc.ehgtref.rqh> --> <!--X-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:31:39 -0700 --> <!--X-Message-Id: Pine.GSO.3.96.981020142106.1038B-100000#arrow,rutgers.edu --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 19981018225545.A25950#divcom,slimy.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:pomales#caip,rutgers.edu"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00276.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00278.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00246.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00299.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00277">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00277">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00277">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: [MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Elis Pomales <<A HREF="mailto:pomales#caip,rutgers.edu">pomales#caip,rutgers.edu</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:29:04 -0400 (EDT)</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#kanga,nu">mud-dev#kanga,nu</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Jon Leonard wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 10:47:51PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:14:54 -0700 > > Jon Leonard<jleonard#divcom,slimy.com> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 11:24:42AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: <clip> > > > [Bruce Sterling's comments about virtual communities being an > > > This reminds me of Eric S. Raymond's "Homesteading the Noosphere" > > > <A HREF="http://www.earthspace.net/esr/writings/homesteading/">http://www.earthspace.net/esr/writings/homesteading/</A>, which > > > discusses status among open source software developers, and how it > > > relates to getting software developed. (The prequel paper is also > > > well worth looking at: > > > <A HREF="http://www.earthspace.net/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/">http://www.earthspace.net/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/</A>) > > > > Bah! You're stealing my thunder -- I had it all planned to lead > > gracelessly into the Raymond mantra and the benefits of cooperateive > > development via your player base. > > Oops. :-) > > The other possible lesson that we as a list should be collaborating > on code rather than reinventing wheels by the truckload. > > I get the impression that many people on the list are writing their > own servers, often from scratch. (I am.) Would anyone be interested > in collaborating on a base server for experimentation? There's got > to be a certain amount of drudgery that we can save each other. > > Even if there isn't interest, figuring out a base feature set would be > useful, and I'd extract parts of my own server to match. (I have a fully > RFC compliant telnet server, which I could disentangle from the rest of my > code, for example.) > > If there isn't a clear idea of what would be a useful base to extend on, > that says something very interesting about the future of MUD design. > > At this point I'm envisioning a collection of modules, so that features > that aren't interesting in a particular context can be ignored. The > whole could be under something like the X license or even explicit public > domain, so that it would be useful for those considering commercial uses > as well. > > Would anyone use such a thing? Would there be any benefit over starting > with something like a Diku base (which I understand some have done). > Well as far as I am concerned I would be highly interested in helping build an advanced engine under a license that would allow commercial use. As such that is the only reason that I have started writing from scratch, most engines explicitly don't allow commercial use. I started way back when writing an interpretor based mud, very MOO like, but I wrote it in java, and at the time it was way too slow... so I killed it and have begun working on a java server, but using pure java. I would really have prefered a byte-code interpretor written in c and now that I have a job where I am surrounded by sparc... I might just start doing that... Another thing I have allways wanted was a coordinate based system, but I have never been able to figuere out r-trees... sigh. Elis Pomales <snip> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Darrin Hyrup <shades#mythicgames,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jon Leonard <jleonard#divcom,slimy.com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00276.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00278.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Trusting the Client (Re: Laws of Online World D esign)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00299.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00277"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00277"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00217" HREF="msg00217.html">[MUD-Dev] Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 15 Oct 1998, 18:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00222" HREF="msg00222.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Fri 16 Oct 1998, 02:19 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00224" HREF="msg00224.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Fri 16 Oct 1998, 05:47 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00246" HREF="msg00246.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Jon Leonard <a href="mailto:jleonard#divcom,slimy.com">jleonard#divcom,slimy.com</a>, Mon 19 Oct 1998, 18:49 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00277" HREF="msg00277.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Elis Pomales <a href="mailto:pomales#caip,rutgers.edu">pomales#caip,rutgers.edu</a>, Tue 20 Oct 1998, 18:31 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00299" HREF="msg00299.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, Darrin Hyrup <a href="mailto:shades#mythicgames,com">shades#mythicgames,com</a>, Wed 21 Oct 1998, 15:06 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00327" HREF="msg00327.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Bruce Sterling on Virtual Community goals</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Thu 22 Oct 1998, 01:16 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00215" HREF="msg00215.html">[MUD-Dev] Network float format (RFC 1014)</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#kanga,nu">claw#kanga,nu</a>, Thu 15 Oct 1998, 05:42 GMT <LI><strong><A NAME="00210" HREF="msg00210.html">[MUD-Dev] ADMIN: unsubscriptions</A></strong>, J C Lawrence <a href="mailto:claw#under,engr.sgi.com">claw#under,engr.sgi.com</a>, Wed 14 Oct 1998, 22:30 GMT </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>