<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP thesis... --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from tacitus.globecomm.net [207.51.48.7] by mx01.ca.us.ibm.net id 863571667.48878-1 Wed May 14 01:01:07 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199705140059.RAA13107#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.LNX.3.96.970511220459.930W-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] RP thesis...</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00445.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00448.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00407.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00377.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00447">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00447">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00447">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] RP thesis...</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] RP thesis...</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 12 May 97 17:53:52 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg00382.html">Pine.LNX.3.96.970511220459.930W-100000#mpc,dyn.ml.org</A>>, on 05/11/97 at 02:16 PM, Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org> said: >On Sun, 11 May 1997, Jeff Kesselman wrote: >> (2) Social behavior is foistered primarily when 2 things happen between >> people; >> (a) Communciation >> (b) mutual respect >I particularly like that you highlight the second, it's often >overlooked. To me this also highlights the core isde of the other main difference between RP-centric MUDs and roll-playing MUDs: roll-playing MUDs are goal-oriented. Specifically there is a goal or goals which are internally defined to the game system and which are attainable entirely within the game system. In such models you have the pursuit of levels towards wizardhood, the compleation of quests, and sundries like PK championships. RP MUDs don't seem to define their goals within the system, or if the goal does happen to lie within the system, is not obtainable entirely within the system. Inside this difference lies the subjective value-add given to good role-playing players, implied in which is the example of the player who allows his character to die to forward the "story". -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00382" HREF="msg00382.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] RP thesis...</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Matt Chatterley <root#mpc,dyn.ml.org></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00445.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: non combat muds (was: Administrative notes)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00448.html">Re: Disk v. 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