<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from fabius.globecomm.net [207.51.48.6] by mx3.ibm.net id 863206466.89226-1 Fri May 9 19:34:26 1997 --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199705091938.MAA29374#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Marcel-1.09-0508162555-b49Ky&5#Gryphon,iaehv.nl --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00350.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00352.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00337.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00371.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00351">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00351">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00351">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 08 May 97 12:29:48 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Aside: I've been really hoping to get some more RP type members in here. I suspect we tend to get more than a little buried in the technical aspects of the games and lose sight of the RP underpinnings (me especially as I don't RP at all). In <Marcel-1.09-0508162555-b49Ky&5#Gryphon,iaehv.nl>, on 05/08/97 at 09:19 PM, Marian Griffith <gryphon#iaehv,nl> said: >On Tue 06 May, clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: >> What with the recent discussion of parsers and methods of parsing >> commands, and old entry from my to-do list popped up: >> Support for prepositions such as "under", "on top of", "behind" etc. >Jumping in the middle of a discussion with my first post to this >list... Go for it. >...and at the risk of pointing out what's been said many times >before.. You should start out by knowing where things are with >respect to each other. At the moment it seems that games only know >about 'inside' and 'outside', and there's no 'real-thing feeling' to >them when interacting. I.e. they have no size, weight or true >position. Unless you have those there seems to be little point in >thinking about more complicated ways of locating things. True. I'm attempting to resolve this from several angles, including moving to a real coordinate space system, giving objects dimensions, doing collision detection for things like trying to fit a dragon thru a mousehole or a boulder into a purse. etc. I suspect to really resolve the job I'll have to move to a 3D graphical system (I'm already leaning that way), but I'd like and try and resolve the virtual aspects first (which text represents perfectly), I really want to to make objects generic. I want some player to be able to take some clothes, a couple branches and a broomstick, make a scarecrow, cast a spell on it to animate it, and Voila! Have a mobile. I want a player to be able to take a couple pebbles, put them in a small box, seal the box, and instantly have a rattle. It this interpretive behaviour of objects that I think is the *real* key. As a start on such, given a coordinate space say, (and no, the user won't ever see X,Y,Z coordinates) the question is how to parse and handle prepositions. I know the LIMA MUDLib can do it -- anybody here familiar with it, or want to dig into it? -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00489" HREF="msg00489.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Nathan Yospe <yospe#hawaii,edu></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00371" HREF="msg00371.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Marian Griffith <gryphon#iaehv,nl></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00337" HREF="msg00337.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Marian Griffith <gryphon#iaehv,nl></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00350.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Random plotlines</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00352.html">Re: (fwd) A Mud Protocol (MUD Markup Language)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00337.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00371.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00351"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00351"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Comments on the DB layer</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00608" HREF="msg00608.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Comments on the DB layer</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 20 May 1997, 02:32 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00326" HREF="msg00326.html">Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 07 May 1997, 07:48 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00333" HREF="msg00333.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Thu 08 May 1997, 04:45 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00337" HREF="msg00337.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Fri 09 May 1997, 05:30 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00351" HREF="msg00351.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 10 May 1997, 02:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00371" HREF="msg00371.html">[MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Sun 11 May 1997, 17:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00473" HREF="msg00473.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 15 May 1997, 00:34 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00489" HREF="msg00489.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Fri 16 May 1997, 05:41 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00509" HREF="msg00509.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Prepositions and parsing</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Sat 17 May 1997, 00:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>