<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Life --> <!--X-From-R13: Xrss Yrffryzna <wrssxNgrargjbex.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in11.ibm.net id 865396896.36168-1 Wed Jun 4 04:01:36 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3.0.32.19970603210411.009e345c#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01129.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01131.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01156.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01135.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01130">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01130">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01130">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 21:04:12 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> At 07:21 PM 6/3/97 PST8PDT, Jc lawrence wrote: >In <<A HREF="msg01019.html">3.0.32.19970601123731.00683f00#mail,tenetwork.com</A>>, on 06/01/97 > at 12:46 PM, Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com> said: > >>Thus, my opinons are as follows: >>(1) Pkilling just shouldn't be allowed. >>(2) PvP while potentailly a fine game MUST be limited to games where >>that is the point and kept limited in a Roleplay envrionment. > >>Okay, NOW argue with me now that you knwo my real position :) > >If you are attempting an immersive RP environment (and lots of other >caveats), then I suspect I'd agree with you. In a non-immersive RP >game, then no, I don't agree. I've seen far too many MUDs with free >or fairly free PK that did not descend into fixed solutions or >simplistic chest beating. Fair enough. I don't see either "fixed solutions" or simplsitic chest beating to be necessary components of a PvP based game. Neither however does their lack suggest a Roleplay game by my definitions. I suspect what I call Roleplay, as per the AD&D definition i gave earlier, is what you call "immersive roleplay". No probs or disagreements now that our definitions are clearer. JK </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01129.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] The Lessons of Lucasfilm's Habitat</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01131.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Levels and Goals [was Alright..IF your gonan do</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01156.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01135.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01130"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01130"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01283" HREF="msg01283.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 11 Jun 1997, 08:05 GMT </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01125" HREF="msg01125.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 09:47 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01126" HREF="msg01126.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 10:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01156" HREF="msg01156.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 05 Jun 1997, 04:30 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01130" HREF="msg01130.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 11:01 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01135" HREF="msg01135.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 11:22 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01160" HREF="msg01160.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 06 Jan 1970, 09:39 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01140" HREF="msg01140.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 11:52 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01142" HREF="msg01142.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Life</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 04 Jun 1997, 12:28 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>