<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages --> <!--X-From-R13: pnyvonaNqnexybpx.pbz (Qnyvona Fverfvnf Rnexybpx) --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in2.ibm.net id 864505629.141630-1 Sat May 24 20:27:09 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 338d4d8f.2927173#relay,mnsinc.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: Pine.GSO.3.95q.970523143747.28246A-100000@uhunix2 --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00736.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00738.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00727.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00770.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00735">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00735">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00735">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A> (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:29:18 GMT</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sat, 24 May 1997 11:37:57 PST8PDT, Nathan Yospe <yospe#hawaii,edu> wrote: >On Thu, 22 May 1997, Caliban Tiresias Darklock wrote: > >:On Thu, 22 May 1997 19:23:19 PST8PDT, Ben Greear >:<greear#pollux,cs.uga.edu> wrote: > >True, but there is no simple way to handle complex polymorphism, or the >more advanced applications of template libraries. Simple ways to handle 'complex' and 'advanced' features strike me as something of a non-sequitur... and don't particularly strike me as desirable. On the other hand, I'm not much on the idea of 'one day everyone will be a programmer'. That's no more true than 'one day everyone will be an electrician'. >Its a rather pointless argument, anyway... You'll never convince >me to go back to C, and I don't really care if you start using C++. This >is generally the case... you will either end up in a heated, pointless >argument with members of other code religions, or in vapid agreement with >members of your own, or being patronized by code agnostics. It's just like any other religion... I have mine, you have yours, neither of us can CONVINCE the other to convert... but of course, we can exchange information. That's how most of us retain our faith. >(Yeah, I'm slightly religious. I prefer OO, and use it even with procedural >languages. I don't do it because procedural is the devil, I do it because >OO is easier to wrap my brain around. At least for large projects, which >this mud and most of what I do at work count as.) True. C has several drawbacks for large projects, and I won't argue that. >I think this highlights the difference in styles. The reason I use C++ is, >when confronted with a large project, I refuse to include any hacks, >spaghetti, or feature specific code. I can toss off a project like that >(such as a mud) in C++ in a fourth the time it takes me to do it in C. >Were I big on hacks, on dirty work, as you put it, I suppose C would be >more my style. My time in school has yielded no programming skill, that >was all work and my own time. School yielded some VERY powerful math and >physics skills. Still continues to do so, and when they get powerful >enough, I can leave computers behind and work on more important things. You know, I keep seeing a corollary... people who are either new to programming, or have a strong background in scientific disciplines that isn't backed up with college-level programming courses, tend to prefer OO and C++. On the other hand, within the professional programming community, everyone has a pet language... usually the first one they ever did real work in. For me, yes, I'll admit, it was C and assembly. Just out of curiosity, what is it that *originally* attracted you to C++? Not why do you *keep* using it, but why did you *start* using it? -+[caliban#darklock,com]+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- I am here to grind your eyes harder into the miasmic bile of life; to show you the truth and the beauty in the whisper of steel on silk and the crimson scent of blood as it rises to meet the caress of a blade. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+[<A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/]+-">http://www.darklock.com/]+-</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00770" HREF="msg00770.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Nathan Yospe <yospe#hawaii,edu></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00727" HREF="msg00727.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Nathan Yospe <yospe#hawaii,edu></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00736.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... 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