<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Room-based vs. coordinate-based --> <!--X-From-R13: nyrkbNovtsbbg.pbz (Oyrk Aera) --> <!--X-Date: from stimpy.globecomm.net [207.51.48.4] by in10.ibm.net id 865274550.36252-1 Mon Jun 2 18:02:30 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3399f534.728119540@neptune --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199704250127.SAA25913#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Room-based vs. coordinate-based</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01058.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01061.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00295.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01096.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01059">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01059">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01059">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Room-based vs. coordinate-based</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Room-based vs. coordinate-based</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</A> (Alex Oren)</LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:07:46 GMT</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> Hello. I have some questions regarding a room-based vs. a coordinate-based MUD issues. (*) Ease of coding and efficiency. Room-based seems much more efficient and easier to code. Coordinate-based will require proximity calculations on almost any activity or command (in room-based I can just assume that objects inside a "room" container are close to each other). Motion, visibility, etc. becomes more complex. (*) Combat. Coordinate-based makes ranged attacks, closing-in, retreats, etc. simpler to implement (any ideas how to handle this in a room-based system?). Also, consider the following sniplets (in the context of room vs. coordinate): [JCL:] } The big reason for this is that I am } working hard to totally lose the concept of rooms. As such I actively } want to support two players fighting who are also seperated by the } entire width of the land, a couple rooms apart, or right beside each } other. [Adam:] } > notch arrow bow } You notch a wooden arrow into your bow. } > shoot north orc } [Here 'bow' and 'arrow' are already in your list of objects recently accessed] } You fire a wooden arrow north at the orc. } > notch } [Here everything it wishes to know is already in your list...] } You notch a wooden arrow into your bow. } > shoot } [Same thing - it just so happens the orc has moved west.] } You fire a wooden arrow west at the orc. (*) Area effects. How will I handle "Boffo arrives from the north" type of messages? Room-based (or, rather, "container-based") has an advantage here. A container may send messages to the objects it contains. In a coordinate-based system I will need to consult a "map" of object locations to determine message recipients. Or am I wrong? (*) Movement. What will be the difference between "north" and "run north" in a room-based and a coordinate-based systems? Coordinate-based systems also seem to imply finer movement granularity (closing-in for combat vs. walking towards the mountain) and therefore, additional user commands may be needed to realize this. Ideas? Comments? Implementation algorithms? Have fun, Alex. </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01099" HREF="msg01099.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Shawn Halpenny <malachai#iname,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01096" HREF="msg01096.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#inficad,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00214" HREF="msg00214.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01058.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Resets, repops and quests</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01061.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Resets, repops and quests</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01096.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01059"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01059"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00223" HREF="msg00223.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Fri 25 Apr 1997, 23:39 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00261" HREF="msg00261.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Mon 28 Apr 1997, 23:34 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00281" HREF="msg00281.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 29 Apr 1997, 21:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00295" HREF="msg00295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Re: Issues from the digests and Wout's list</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 30 Apr 1997, 02:53 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01059" HREF="msg01059.html">Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong>, Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 01:02 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01096" HREF="msg01096.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 19:31 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01099" HREF="msg01099.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 03 Jun 1997, 22:43 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01153" HREF="msg01153.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 05 Jun 1997, 00:52 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01200" HREF="msg01200.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Thu 05 Jun 1997, 23:44 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>