<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game --> <!--X-From-R13: Dnm <zhqqlenmNzhfuebbz.qrzba.pb.hx> --> <!--X-Date: from stimpy.globecomm.net [207.51.48.4] by in5.ibm.net id 865718510.59520-1 Sat Jun 7 21:21:50 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3398a2cc.10050906#post,demon.co.uk --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199705311143.EAA12231#user2,inficad.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01249.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01252.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00999.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01291.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01250">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01250">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01250">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Raz <<A HREF="mailto:muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk">muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 21:11:57 GMT</LI> <LI><em>Reply-To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk">muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:44:14 PST8PDT, Adam wrote: > > What's the 'aim' of your game..? Why will people play it? (In fact, can > > they play a game, or do they experience a world?) > [...] none of these can give me what a mud can - a completely > functional environment which is continuous and consistant, where (many) > other people in the world live and function without even knowing that I > exist (whether they are NPCs or PCs), but which I can interject my own > actions into and see a real effect propagate through the world in a way > that is consistant with my own world, yet the world itself is entirely > different and much more fantastic. There's nothing wrong with resource > management, tactical combat, storylines, or puzzle-solving. I like > all these too, and you can certainly have them. But that's not where > the real deal lies, as far as I am concerned. Thanks for the answer, Adam; and apologies for my delay in replying =) The reason for asking was that, as I said, I'm probably in the same camp as you, albeit much further back along the development road. I'd been worrying recently about the possibility of *all* games requiring some kind of objective, and since most of the stuff you've talked about sounds like the kind if thing I want to do I thought it'd be interesting to hear what your outlook was. I wasn't disappointed - thanks again. Raz (...and to the others who replied, too =)) </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01291" HREF="msg01291.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#user1,inficad.com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00999" HREF="msg00999.html">MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Adam Wiggins <nightfall#inficad,com></LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01249.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "short" Introductory Message (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01252.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] over the shoudler view</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00999.html">MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01291.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01250"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01250"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00875" HREF="msg00875.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 28 May 1997, 11:24 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00941" HREF="msg00941.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Raz <a href="mailto:muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk">muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk</a>, Fri 30 May 1997, 06:20 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00946" HREF="msg00946.html">Aims [was Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...]</A></strong>, Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Fri 30 May 1997, 17:29 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00999" HREF="msg00999.html">MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#inficad,com">nightfall#inficad,com</a>, Sat 31 May 1997, 18:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01250" HREF="msg01250.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></strong>, Raz <a href="mailto:muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk">muddyraz#mushroom,demon.co.uk</a>, Sun 08 Jun 1997, 04:21 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01291" HREF="msg01291.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] MUDs - An environment, not a game</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Wed 11 Jun 1997, 21:45 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00876" HREF="msg00876.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 28 May 1997, 11:38 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00893" HREF="msg00893.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Wed 28 May 1997, 21:13 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00902" HREF="msg00902.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 29 May 1997, 02:19 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>