<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages --> <!--X-From-R13: pnyvonaNqnexybpx.pbz (Qnyvona Fverfvnf Rnexybpx) --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in1.ibm.net id 864516532.197180-1 Sat May 24 23:28:52 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 339778d2.14003955#relay,mnsinc.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199705242259.AAA18603#regoc,srce.hr --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00748.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00750.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00747.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00751.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00749">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00749">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00749">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A> (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Sat, 24 May 1997 23:31:01 GMT</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:07:36 PST8PDT, silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic) wrote: >> Typicly the reason C++ code ends up slower is due to mis-coding of >> constructors by peopel who do NOT understand whats going on underneath. > >This is my main objection about C++: one should be able to use a language >after reading the *specification*, not the bloody compiler source! :P :P :P My main objection to it is the same problem I have with the Mac. You are either a newbie, or a wizard. There is no in between. C++ is so tightly interwoven, you have to understand ALL of it INTIMATELY before you can expect to have any confidence that you're doing things properly. If you don't have a deep understanding of the internals, it's almost impossible to explain WHY things have to be done a certain way. However, the vast majority of applications today is so outstripped by the power of the computer, C++ is an acceptable tradeoff. We don't normally worry overmuch about tightening inner loops, because the system's plenty fast even if it's a little inefficient. There are applications that need to be written, however, which will require either that you are God-on-a-stick with C++, or that you use a more easily optimised language that runs closer to the bare metal. Like C. -+[caliban#darklock,com]+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- I am here to grind your eyes harder into the miasmic bile of life; to show you the truth and the beauty in the whisper of steel on silk and the crimson scent of blood as it rises to meet the caress of a blade. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+[<A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/]+-">http://www.darklock.com/]+-</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="00751" HREF="msg00751.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic)</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00747" HREF="msg00747.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic)</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00748.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00750.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00747.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00751.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00749"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00749"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00729" HREF="msg00729.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 24 May 1997, 12:06 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00767" HREF="msg00767.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 14:29 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00732" HREF="msg00732.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sat 24 May 1997, 14:10 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00747" HREF="msg00747.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 05:59 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00749" HREF="msg00749.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 06:28 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00751" HREF="msg00751.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 06:53 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00734" HREF="msg00734.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 02:36 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00756" HREF="msg00756.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 08:02 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00738" HREF="msg00738.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 03:28 GMT </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>