<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz" --> <!--X-From-R13: pynjerapNphc.uc.pbz --> <!--X-Date: from babe.globecomm.net [207.51.48.8] by in12.ibm.net id 866155333.39028-1 Thu Jun 12 22:42:13 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 199706122240.PAA21094#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199706120745.JAA25708#regoc,srce.hr --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01313.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01315.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01306.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01315.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01314">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01314">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01314">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</A></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Thu, 12 Jun 97 15:40:22 -0700</LI> <LI><em>Reply-to</em>: <A HREF="mailto:claw#null,net">claw#null,net</A></LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> In <<A HREF="msg01306.html">199706120745.JAA25708#regoc,srce.hr</A>>, on 06/12/97 at 09:24 AM, silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic) said: > [ChrisL:] >> In <<A HREF="msg01261.html">9706081638.84om#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</A>>, on 06/08/97 >> at 10:33 AM, cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA (Chris Gray) said: >> >Anyone else reading/read "From Kansas to Oz" in the April 1997 issue >> >of the Communications of the ACM? Its about cooperative and virtual >> >debugging in the latest LambdaMOO system. >> >> Yup. I thought I mentioned it here? >> >> What I thought particularly interesting was that by adding multiple >> roots to the normally single-rooted MOO heirarchy they were able to >> get infinite automatically generated parallel worlds with each world >> able to access itself and its rightmost neighbor only (generations of >> Oz). There's something about that concept I find flat out >> fascinating. Don't really know what to do with it yet, tho I'm >> determined I will do something. Its too cute to ignore/ >Actually the only reason why it's an achievement in MOO is that they >don't have multiple inheritance. The associated constraint is that MOO (and Cold?) is single rooted. The whole Oz and Kansas caper becomes much easier if your give (as I recall they did), Kansas and Oz seperate roots, with each Oz generation devolving a new root. >Remember, with MI, you could easily >just put core functionality on root, and then spawn multiple world >parents from it, each with its own perm checking. I think I know >exactly how I would do that in Cold (but its security scheme is >different from MOO so it's much easier). Quite. Remove Cold's requirement for a single root and it becomes almost trivial at the base level to implement. Then the ugly stuff is in the automatic kick-overs to Oz, the Oz<->Kansas inter-relationships, and the Oz generations. >On the other hand, the idea of multiple worlds, each looking at one >below, /is/ cute. :) Very. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw#null,net (Contractor) Internet: coder#ibm,net ---------------(*) Internet: clawrenc#cup,hp.com ...Honorary Member Clan McFUD -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01363" HREF="msg01363.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Brandon Gillespie <brandon#roguetrader,com></li></ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01315" HREF="msg01315.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01306" HREF="msg01306.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> silovic#srce,hr (Miroslav Silovic)</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01313.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01315.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01306.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01315.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01314"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01314"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="01295" HREF="msg01295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 02:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01301" HREF="msg01301.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 12:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01311" HREF="msg01311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 01:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="01306" HREF="msg01306.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 14:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01314" HREF="msg01314.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 05:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01315" HREF="msg01315.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 10:24 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01317" HREF="msg01317.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, coder <a href="mailto:coder#ibm,net">coder#ibm,net</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 11:40 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01363" HREF="msg01363.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#roguetrader,com">brandon#roguetrader,com</a>, Fri 20 Jun 1997, 04:55 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01485" HREF="msg01485.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Wed 25 Jun 1997, 06:59 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>