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<LI><em>From</em>: Nathan Yospe <<A HREF="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</A>></LI>
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On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Shawn Halpenny wrote:
:Alex Oren wrote:
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:> Apart from rumors and "wanted" lists there are other possibilities:
:>
:> * Bards singing the praise of Boffo the dragonslayer of Biffy the newbie
:> protector.
:>
:> * Guild quests centered on reputation. "Go forth an bring me the
:> left ear of the most evil person in Ankh-Morpork" (which may be a
:> mobile or a player at the time).
:>
:> * Deliberately spreading false rumors. "I saw Humperdink kill two
:> dragons and an elderly lady!" (which may mark you as a liar if you
:> are caught, depending on the trustworthiness attribute of the
:> challenger).
:
:Did the discussions about rumor-spreading touch on this? (The parts of them
:that I saw did not). It's easy enough to create a rumor based on the
:occurrence of an event (e.g. witnessing someone slaying a dragon), but in
:this case, spreading a false rumor implies there was no event that caused
:it, so how does the rumor get created?
I've already mentioned that, if I do create a rumor system, I intend to
make rumors autopassable by PCs, IE "tell X about Y". This post started me
thinking that this sort of thing could be extended further. For example:
"Did you hear about Y?" <rumor recorder starts recording> Later, your
listener can pass the rumor on normally. Now, to be effective, the
triggers need to be the same as the output.
:It could be created and carried solely by players who choose to pass
:it on to other players. That's only a partial solution, since a
:rumor will only travel if someone tells it to a player. The other
:part of the solution requires NPCs to be able to carry false rumors
:(though not start them--I think it would be fantastically difficult
:to automatically create sensible, at least somewhat believable false
:rumors). So how does an NPC overhearing or being told a false rumor
:pass that rumor on? And let's say that it must be done without using
:something silly like a "rumor" command. I think natural language
:processing is buried in there somewhere...
: # l
: You see Bubba and Boffo on the side of the street.
: A shopkeeper is sweeping his front steps.
: # 'I saw Humperdink kill two dragons and an elderly lady!
: You say it.
: Bubba says 'No kidding!?'
: Boffo says 'The murderous rogue! I knew she was no good...'
: The shopkeeper looks aghast in your direction and scurries inside.
: # snicker
: You snicker to yourself.
: # 'Oh, did I mention that my new china and flatware finally arrived?
: etc.
This sounds murderously impossible.
:Now the shopkeeper heard the Humperdink and elderly lady bit and
:chalks that up as a rumor which he can pass on to as many people as
:he wants to (a rumor juiciness factor comes to mind). However, the
:bit about the china and flatware would make a pretty shoddy rumor,
:IMO, and the intent is to have NPC passers-by disregard things like
:that. I cannot, however, think of how an NPC would distinguish the
:two.
:Thoughts?
Fully functional AI?
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01429" HREF="msg01429.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Mon 23 Jun 1997, 02:31 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01451" HREF="msg01451.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Mon 23 Jun 1997, 15:36 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01460" HREF="msg01460.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Matt Chatterley <a href="mailto:root#mpc,dyn.ml.org">root#mpc,dyn.ml.org</a>, Tue 24 Jun 1997, 00:08 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01464" HREF="msg01464.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Shawn Halpenny <a href="mailto:malachai#iname,com">malachai#iname,com</a>, Tue 24 Jun 1997, 00:34 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01466" HREF="msg01466.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Tue 24 Jun 1997, 04:14 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01473" HREF="msg01473.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Alright... IF your gonan do DESIESE...</A></strong>,
Alex Oren <a href="mailto:alexo#bigfoot,com">alexo#bigfoot,com</a>, Tue 24 Jun 1997, 14:06 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01475" HREF="msg01475.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rumours</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Wed 25 Jun 1997, 00:51 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01488" HREF="msg01488.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rumours</A></strong>,
Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user2,inficad.com">nightfall#user2,inficad.com</a>, Wed 25 Jun 1997, 12:22 GMT
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<LI><strong><A NAME="01494" HREF="msg01494.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Rumours</A></strong>,
Marian Griffith <a href="mailto:gryphon#iaehv,nl">gryphon#iaehv,nl</a>, Thu 26 Jun 1997, 00:15 GMT
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