<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz" --> <!--X-From-R13: Xrss Yrffryzna <wrssxNgrargjbex.pbz> --> <!--X-Date: from fabius.globecomm.net [207.51.48.6] by in4.ibm.net id 866092304.51790-1 Thu Jun 12 05:11:44 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 3.0.2.32.19970611221353.00a1f14c#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 3.0.2.32.19970610230934.00a1665c#mail,tenetwork.com --> <!--X-Reference: 199706111935.MAA24641#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg01300.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01302.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg01295.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg01311.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#01301">Author</A> | <A HREF="#01301">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#01301">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: Jeff Kesselman <<A HREF="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</A>></LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:13:53 -0700</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> At 09:32 PM 6/11/97 PST8PDT, JC Lawrence wrote: >In <<A HREF="msg01288.html">3.0.2.32.19970610230934.00a1665c#mail,tenetwork.com</A>>, on 06/11/97 > at 09:05 AM, Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com> said: > >>At 06:49 PM 6/10/97 PST8PDT, you wrote: > >Uhh, Jeff, attributions please? > >>>True. They are probably the (near?) first to add a GUI drag'n'drop >>>development environment to a MUD, let alone also adding an online >>>interactive GUI debugger in the same system. > >>Ahem. >>I wrote MUDEDIT, a JAVA based interactive browser/editor/debugger for >>COLD a year ago. > >Right, and while MUDEdit does use a GUI to display text windows, its >not really a GUI product. In Sun's case they created a fully GUI (lots of other good stuff abotu OZ deleted.) Not claimign it was. In fact OZ had BETTER doa whoel heck of alot more since I wrote mudedit in 2 weeks worth of train rides. I just raised an eyebrow at the "first MUD debugger". I'm not sure I agree with the distinction btw code lebvel and lib level though. I see little real distinction. MUDEDIT requried a few fucntiosn on root, and a single object it talked to. Thats it. JK </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <ul compact><li><strong>Follow-Ups</strong>: <ul> <li><strong><A NAME="01311" HREF="msg01311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong> <ul compact><li><em>From:</em> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</li></ul> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01288" HREF="msg01288.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> Jeff Kesselman <jeffk#tenetwork,com></LI></UL></LI> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="01295" HREF="msg01295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01300.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Room-based vs. coordinate-based</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01302.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Genuinely brief intro</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg01311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#01301"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#01301"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01261" HREF="msg01261.html">"From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Chris Gray <a href="mailto:cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA">cg#ami-cg,GraySage.Edmonton.AB.CA</a>, Sat 10 Jan 1970, 03:27 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01276" HREF="msg01276.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Tue 10 Jun 1997, 21:06 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01288" HREF="msg01288.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Wed 11 Jun 1997, 13:07 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01295" HREF="msg01295.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 02:37 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01301" HREF="msg01301.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 12:11 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01311" HREF="msg01311.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 01:48 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="01306" HREF="msg01306.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Thu 12 Jun 1997, 14:45 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01314" HREF="msg01314.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 05:42 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="01315" HREF="msg01315.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] "From Kansas to Oz"</A></strong>, Jeff Kesselman <a href="mailto:jeffk#tenetwork,com">jeffk#tenetwork,com</a>, Fri 13 Jun 1997, 10:24 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>