<!-- MHonArc v2.4.4 --> <!--X-Subject: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages --> <!--X-From-R13: pnyvonaNqnexybpx.pbz (Qnyvona Fverfvnf Rnexybpx) --> <!--X-Date: from stimpy.globecomm.net [207.51.48.4] by in2.ibm.net id 864365194.67672-1 Fri May 23 05:26:34 1997 CUT --> <!--X-Message-Id: 338d23cf.17050999#relay,mnsinc.com --> <!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> <!--X-Reference: 199705221812.LAA23116#xsvr3,cup.hp.com --> <!--X-Head-End--> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title>MUD-Dev message, Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</title> <!-- meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow" --> <link rev="made" href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com"> </head> <body background="/backgrounds/paperback.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#0000FF" alink="#FF0000" vlink="#006000"> <font size="+4" color="#804040"> <strong><em>MUD-Dev<br>mailing list archive</em></strong> </font> <br> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] <br clear=all><hr> <!--X-Body-Begin--> <!--X-User-Header--> <!--X-User-Header-End--> <!--X-TopPNI--> Date: [ <a href="msg00708.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00711.html">Next</a> ] Thread: [ <a href="msg00703.html">Previous</a> | <a href="msg00681.html">Next</a> ] Index: [ <A HREF="author.html#00709">Author</A> | <A HREF="#00709">Date</A> | <A HREF="thread.html#00709">Thread</A> ] <!--X-TopPNI-End--> <!--X-MsgBody--> <!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> <H1>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</H1> <HR> <!--X-Subject-Header-End--> <!--X-Head-of-Message--> <UL> <LI><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:mud-dev#null,net">mud-dev#null,net</A></LI> <LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</LI> <LI><em>From</em>: <A HREF="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</A> (Caliban Tiresias Darklock)</LI> <LI><em>Date</em>: Fri, 23 May 1997 05:04:02 GMT</LI> </UL> <!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> <HR> <!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> <!--X-Body-of-Message--> <PRE> On Thu, 22 May 1997 20:18:15 PST8PDT, clawrenc#cup,hp.com wrote: >OO merely adds a different viewpoint and framework to coding. Much >very good structured programming is *also* OO in approach. Its not a >new or unique technology, its not a new set of previously missing >definitions, its a paradign shift which restructures your view and >approach to the same old field of programming. True, and of course paradigm shifts aren't easy when you're moving from a discipline you have down cold to a discipline that starts off by telling you that everything you know is wrong. >I'd note here that the standard C++ library now encludes the IOStreams >and STL libraries, which gives you all the collection classes and an >extensible IO framework. Your contention was much more supportable a >year or two ago. Which is about how long ago I took my most recent serious look at C++ and pronounced it a total crock... ;) >>The benefits of C++ are in code reuse, but code reuse is not always >>an appropriate thing, and you have to have some C++ code to reuse >>first. > >True, however the code base for generic re-use is getting large enough >that its becoming attractive in its own right. (eg STL, ACE, OSE, >Arjuna, etc. See the C++ libraries FAW for other details). I don't generally trust other people's code. I always seem to find some pathologically stupid thing in it, and if they won't give me the source I'm DEFINITELY not interested. ;) -+[caliban#darklock,com]+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- I am here to grind your eyes harder into the miasmic bile of life; to show you the truth and the beauty in the whisper of steel on silk and the crimson scent of blood as it rises to meet the caress of a blade. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+[<A HREF="http://www.darklock.com/]+-">http://www.darklock.com/]+-</A> </PRE> <!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <HR> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <UL><LI><STRONG>References</STRONG>: <UL> <LI><STRONG><A NAME="00703" HREF="msg00703.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> <UL><LI><EM>From:</EM> clawrenc#cup,hp.com</LI></UL></LI> </UL></LI></UL> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00708.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00711.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00703.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg00681.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="index.html#00709"><STRONG>Date</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thread.html#00709"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> <ul><li>Thread context: <BLOCKQUOTE><UL> <LI><STRONG>Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</STRONG>, <EM>(continued)</EM> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <ul compact> <LI><strong><A NAME="00776" HREF="msg00776.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Adam Wiggins <a href="mailto:nightfall#user1,inficad.com">nightfall#user1,inficad.com</a>, Sun 25 May 1997, 17:54 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00799" HREF="msg00799.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Nathan Yospe <a href="mailto:yospe#hawaii,edu">yospe#hawaii,edu</a>, Mon 26 May 1997, 05:50 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </ul> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00721" HREF="msg00721.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Ling <a href="mailto:K.L.Lo-94#student,lut.ac.uk">K.L.Lo-94#student,lut.ac.uk</a>, Sat 24 May 1997, 06:03 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00703" HREF="msg00703.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 23 May 1997, 10:15 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00709" HREF="msg00709.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Caliban Tiresias Darklock <a href="mailto:caliban#darklock,com">caliban#darklock,com</a>, Fri 23 May 1997, 12:26 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00681" HREF="msg00681.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Brandon Gillespie <a href="mailto:brandon#cold,org">brandon#cold,org</a>, Thu 22 May 1997, 04:13 GMT </LI> <LI><strong><A NAME="00682" HREF="msg00682.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Miroslav Silovic <a href="mailto:silovic#srce,hr">silovic#srce,hr</a>, Thu 22 May 1997, 04:24 GMT </LI> </ul> <LI><strong><A NAME="00691" HREF="msg00691.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, Jon A. Lambert <a href="mailto:jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com">jlsysinc#ix,netcom.com</a>, Thu 22 May 1997, 09:53 GMT <UL> <LI><strong><A NAME="00698" HREF="msg00698.html">Re: [MUD-Dev] Languages</A></strong>, clawrenc <a href="mailto:clawrenc#cup,hp.com">clawrenc#cup,hp.com</a>, Fri 23 May 1997, 04:41 GMT </LI> </UL> </LI> </ul> </LI> </UL></BLOCKQUOTE> </ul> <hr> <center> [ <a href="../">Other Periods</a> | <a href="../../">Other mailing lists</a> | <a href="/search.php3">Search</a> ] </center> <hr> </body> </html>